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Ok this is just silly... Why would AMD the same company that makes the 6990 put it out there without a chip of their own to run with it? BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO BOTTLENECK.The only bottleneck you will see will be one that everyone gets caused by the software you are running.
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5870 Crossfire CPU scaling test:









AND THAT'S ONLY 5870 Crossfire... 6990 is nearly twice as powerful. You'll have a bottleneck galore.

Rest of the tests:
http://www.legionhardware.com/articl..._part_1,3.html


The link you sent. Kinda proving my point. You run higher settings, the "bottleneck" will be on the card.

I am so sick of this topic and people acting like they know it all. I have read pretty much every article out there on this and I came to the conclusion, along with the article writers, that the supposed bottleneck in barely noticable if there at all.
Ig you do have an i7 @ 4ghz running against a quad phenom it will pull more fps. If you actually turn up the graphical settings to max you move it to the GPU.
If you are playing an old game and running 200fps then the "bottleneck" will be more apparent, because it's running 200fps FFS, not 60.

Far too many "experts" on this site giving bad advise.
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Ok this is just silly... Why would AMD the same company that makes the 6990 put it out there without a chip of their own to run with it? BECAUSE THERE WILL BE NO BOTTLENECK.The only bottleneck you will see will be one that everyone gets caused by the software you are running.
That doesn't mean their highest end desktop CPU can't bottleneck an insanely fast dual GPU graphics card. For example wouldn't a Sempron 140 bottleneck 6990 CFX?
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Hmm well I'm currently running it at stock 3.4ghz, I haven't tried overclocking it yet as I haven't needed to. If I did, how high do you think I could get it with just the OEM CPU fan and another fan in my case? Should I invest in a better CPU fan, or water cooling? Water cooling makes me nervous because of possible leakage.
Some good questions there.

Cooling is very important before you start to overclock. I am not a know it all in watercooling/aircooling advantages and disadvantages and nor do I care about 1 or 2 degrees less heat for 200% the price.

What I have been running is the Corsair H50 with 2 Nexus edge 120mm fans on there. The corsair is a leakfree, very easy to use watercooling solution that is a closed loop. Meaning it does not need any user intervention to fill up or maintain, it works straight out of the box.

I am currently running a 7 computer renderfarm and I have used these units with great succes. They are relatively small compard to their tower heatsink counterparts and do not stress the motherboard with the weight of a tower. They are also relatively small. The newer corsair H60 is even smaller yet a tiny bit pricier.

My current machines run a 1.3325 vcore at 3.8 or 4.0 Ghz. Under full load they are 76 degrees which is a safe margin. If a CPU becomes hotter than 80 degrees something is either wrong with your cooling solution, case heat buildup or your vcore is too high (1.4vcore is usually considered too high, 1.35 is the max to keep temperatures within reasonable levels.)

When you overclock a CPU the heat it emits increases almost exponentially by every couple of Mhz. This means that a 4.0 Ghz CPU runs a lot hotter than a 3.5 one. With this comes the problem of your case heating up. Also your motherboard and ram tend to run a lot hotter.

What many people forget is that not only your CPU temp needs to be low but your case temps as well. I suggest looking into outfitting your case with some quiet 120mm fans that can cool your case down adequately.

A couple of 120mm fans and a good CPU cooler and you are ready to go .
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Hey i didn't mean to confuse you or i didn't post just to contradict other guys. What i meant was to point out to the fact there there will be significant bottleneck if you go with 6990 and that cpu. But as others stated you can always upgrade the cpu later. If you don't have the cash right now then just buy the 6990 today, you'll update the cpu later on. but if your budget lets you buy a 2500k or 2600k then you certainly MUST get it.



Have you actually clicked the link and seen other games on the list. You claim that there won't be any bottleneck in games but you prefer seeing 3DMark Vantage result in order to believe that there's no bottleneck. I don't know what to say to you.

http://www.legionhardware.com/articl...part_1,15.html
Try and see it from this guys perspective is all I am trying to point out. I do not try to prove anybody wrong because the wrong is subjective to ones needs.

I see no point in upgrading an already capable CPU for a minimal FPS gain that is all.

Take no offence in my opinion for it is my own, I do not take offense in yours.
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That doesn't mean their highest end desktop CPU can't bottleneck an insanely fast dual GPU graphics card. For example wouldn't a Sempron 140 bottleneck 6990 CFX?
Ok yup buy intel that what AMD is telling everyone who buys a 6990... all you people claiming bottleneck get a big giant
I really thought the general population here was smarter than this.
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That doesn't mean their highest end desktop CPU can't bottleneck an insanely fast dual GPU graphics card. For example wouldn't a Sempron 140 bottleneck 6990 CFX?
You have a point, but it has been proven time and time again by reviews, that bottlenecks really happen when you hit tri sli or xfire. 6990 is essentially dual setup.
It will also have to do with the game and how many cores you use. CPUs are bottlenecked by the software being run, not the cpu bottlenecking the GPU, Dual or single.

You might argue, then why does an i7 out perform a phenom if the stress is on the card? Well if you check the highest end max graphical benchmarks all over the internet, you can see the difference between them is minimal. And this could be put down to triple channel memory or higher clocks.
Edited by Newbie2009 - 3/25/11 at 8:36am
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You have a point, but it has been proven time and time again by reviews, that bottlenecks really happen when you hit tri sli or xfire. 6990 is essentially dual setup.
It will also have to do with the game and how many cores you use. CPUs are bottlenecked by the software being run, not the cpu bottlenecking the GPU, Dual or single.

You might argue, then why does an i7 out perform a phenom if the stress is on the card? Well if you check the highest end max graphical benchmarks all over the internet, you can see the difference between them is minimal. And this could be put down to triple channel memory or higher clocks.
No point in arguing with them, it probably says it right on the AMD 6990 box in bold lettering DO NOT USE WITH AMD PROCESSORS *as your GPU will be held back, please buy Intel.
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Ok I have an idea of how it works, might be completely wrong though. The CPU and GPU are doing different tasks to create the game. In a way they each have their own framerate depending on how much they are processing. If one surpasses the other, the framerate doesn't go higher because the other can't keep up, atleast not in every way, creating a bottleneck. So if you lower the settings of a game completely, the video card can get framerates in the hundreds, but if your cpu is running at 30fps, it will stay that way, until you increase the power of the CPU, which is what causes it to make such a big difference at low settings until it reaches the GPUs framerate. Now if I raise the settings to the highest, the GPUs framerate lowers, falling under that of the CPU, so getting a better CPU won't improve the framerate because the GPU can't keep up in either case. But improving the video card brings the bottlenecked framerate higher up, and raising the actual framerate aswell. I think....
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The card will do fine but you probably won't get the max out of it without a good OC or CPU upgrade (like some already mentioned )


That can't be right, I just checked it and my CPU (stock clock X4) has fairly small usage in Crysis
this. i run crysis maxed with no issues.

to the op. IF there is a bottleneck you won't notice it. too many folks in here that don't even own the chip talking out of the side of their neck.
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