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Ok yup buy intel that what AMD is telling everyone who buys a 6990... all you people claiming bottleneck get a big giant
I really thought the general population here was smarter than this.
Bottlenecking != crappy performance.

Optimization is the key word, of course AMD isn't going to advertise that a Nehalem would be better for gaming if you're running CF or SLI. Buying a Celeron is not going to solve the bottlenecking either. Don't get all AMD vs Intel, we're just talking about getting optimal performance out of a $700 card.

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You have a point, but it has been proven time and time again by reviews, that bottlenecks really happen when you hit tri sli or xfire. 6990 is essentially dual setup.
It will also have to do with the game and how many cores you use. CPUs are bottlenecked by the software being run, not the cpu bottlenecking the GPU, Dual or single.

You might argue, then why does an i7 out perform a phenom if the stress is on the card? Well if you check the highest end max graphical benchmarks all over the internet, you can see the difference between them is minimal. And this could be put down to triple channel memory or higher clocks.
It depends on what you call bottlenecking. If you'd run a STALKER CoP bench or BF BC2 you might notice how i7s get more out of the GPUs. Either way, I can tell you that in 75% of all cases my Yorkfield bottlenecks 2 GTX 470s sometimes even a single one when OC'ed. I for one always tend to neglect the CPU part of my PC. I ran dual 9800 GTX's and a GTX 295 on a E2200 @ 3.2GHz even though people advised me to upgrade the CPU. Now the time has come for my Yorkfield to go.

You can only tell what the difference is if you actually make the switch.

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Ok I have an idea of how it works, might be completely wrong though. The CPU and GPU are doing different tasks to create the game. In a way they each have their own framerate depending on how much they are processing. If one surpasses the other, the framerate doesn't go higher because the other can't keep up, atleast not in every way, creating a bottleneck. So if you lower the settings of a game completely, the video card can get framerates in the hundreds, but if your cpu is running at 30fps, it will stay that way, until you increase the power of the CPU, which is what causes it to make such a big difference at low settings until it reaches the GPUs framerate. Now if I raise the settings to the highest, the GPUs framerate lowers, falling under that of the CPU, so getting a better CPU won't improve the framerate because the GPU can't keep up in either case. But improving the video card brings the bottlenecked framerate higher up, and raising the actual framerate aswell. I think....
That's exactly the point mate
Edited by TheBlademaster01 - 3/25/11 at 9:02am
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Ok so now the question is.....which bottlnecks which. Oh god I'm right where I started. I guess the only real way to know besides estimation is to test it using 2 processors and seeing the difference. Is there any kind of database or software that could possibly give a result of putting these two together?
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Ok so now the question is.....which bottlnecks which. Oh god I'm right where I started. I guess the only real way to know besides estimation is to test it using 2 processors and seeing the difference. Is there any kind of database or software that could possibly give a result of putting these two together?
You could always just try it on your 965 first and then get another CPU.
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You could always just try it on your 965 first and then get another CPU.
But if there's no difference I just wasted that money.
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But if there's no difference I just wasted that money.
Not if you find the performance of the 6990 satisfactory when you get it. Honestly I think you should just get a 6950 2G and be done. A 6990 will probably be a waste anyways.
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But if there's no difference I just wasted that money.
What are you playing that needs a 6990 at 1920x1200? A single 6970 will not be bottlenecked by a 965 and will run most current games very well. Then you have an extra $320 to start saving for Bulldozer(A CPU and motherboard upgrade to Bulldozer should be around $400 for a nice 6 core, and if you'd like to get top of the line, you can do what I do and sell your CPU and MB then painfully wait without a rig as your Buldozer CPU/MB ships).
    
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What are you playing that needs a 6990 at 1920x1200? A single 6970 will not be bottlenecked by a 965 and will run most current games very well. Then you have an extra $320 to start saving for Bulldozer(A CPU and motherboard upgrade to Bulldozer should be around $400 for a nice 6 core, and if you'd like to get top of the line, you can do what I do and sell your CPU and MB then painfully wait without a rig as your Buldozer CPU/MB ships).
I really want to be able to get a consistent 60fps in upcoming games, and a 6970 isnt capable of that when it comes to the more demanding ones. I know a 6990 is a little overkill as far as current games, and that's kind of the idea, so that it'll be a while before games come out that will bring me below 60fps, and it'll last me a long time. I guess I could get a bulldozer aswell in the future.
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Another thing, I've been using this site for CPU benchmarks http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html Not sure how reliable it is though. I found a list of video game benchmarks somewhere and it uses the i7 920 which is 2.67ghz. On that list my processor gets a score of 4274, and the i7 920 gets 5556. Someone earlier said that a big factor in video games is the individual clock speed. I know its not everything, but are these scores an accurate representative of what kind of performance I would get in games? Or would the individual clock speed be a bigger factor?
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I know a 6990 is a little overkill as far as current games, and that's kind of the idea, so that it'll be a while before games come out that will bring me below 60fps, and it'll last me a long time. I guess I could get a bulldozer aswell in the future.
if you get a cheaper 6950/70 you'll save a good amount of money and still be good for the next couple years. in a couple years when you want to upgrade, there will be cards that will have the same performance as the 6990, but will cheaper, smaller, quieter, less power hungry, and run cooler. that's why graphics cards aren't considered "future proof". it's always better to just get what you need for now, and not years down the road.
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if you get a cheaper 6950/70 you'll save a good amount of money and still be good for the next couple years. in a couple years when you want to upgrade, there will be cards that will have the same performance as the 6990, but will cheaper, smaller, quieter, less power hungry, and run cooler. that's why graphics cards aren't considered "future proof". it's always better to just get what you need for now, and not years down the road.
I suppose. What comes to mind now, is to get a 6970, wait for bulldozer to come out, then get that along with a new motherboard then i can get another 6970 and run in crossfire.

EDIT: It may be kind of off-topic, but I've got 12gb of ram, which I guess is enough in size, but its 1333mhz, how much of an impact can I expect to framerates compared to higher speeds?
Edited by nachoz - 3/25/11 at 10:01am
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