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Maxing out a game means putting all the graphics to Max + AA + AF. Getting 60fps does not mean maxing out a game. As long as you get 30fps+ in Crysis you are maxing it out since any more fps does not much. Other games is different. Even if the term Maxing out does not apply as long as you can not feel lag 40fps vs 60fps is then just for pure e-peen. Also its very stupid to go buy a Video card now for Crysis or Metro to justify your upgrade.
Yeah but reviews are not maxing out the in game settings even for these fastest cards. Some of the games are tested with no AA and some with 2x AA.

Some games feel laggy at 40fps

I have a GTX 480, I do game at 900Mhz and I still feel the need for more power. But not this Gen, I want to see what the next fastest single GPU card is capable of
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Maxing out a game means putting all the graphics to Max + AA + AF. Getting 60fps does not mean maxing out a game. As long as you get 30fps+ in Crysis you are maxing it out since any more fps does not much. Other games is different. Even if the term Maxing out does not apply as long as you can not feel lag 40fps vs 60fps is then just for pure e-peen. Also its very stupid to go buy a Video card now for Crysis or Metro to justify your upgrade.
There's a huge difference between 30FPS and 60FPS. Watch this and tell me you don't see a difference:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com

Anything below 60FPS is unacceptable, especially these junk video cards that are selling for $700.
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post #143 of 167
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There's a huge difference between 30FPS and 60FPS. Watch this and tell me you don't see a difference:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com

Anything below 60FPS is unacceptable, especially these junk video cards that are selling for $700.
Wow, awesome page, a really good was to show difference in FPS. The missing frames at 30 FPS are ridiculously obvious when the square is rotating.
     
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post #144 of 167
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There's a huge difference between 30FPS and 60FPS. Watch this and tell me you don't see a difference:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com

Anything below 60FPS is unacceptable, especially these junk video cards that are selling for $700.
Not in Crysis. Other games yes but what card cant max out CSS, COD.
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post #145 of 167
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Not in Crysis. Other games yes but what card cant max out CSS, COD.
What about Battlefield? There are games where it's relevant.
     
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post #146 of 167
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Originally Posted by i7monkey View Post
There's a huge difference between 30FPS and 60FPS. Watch this and tell me you don't see a difference:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com

Anything below 60FPS is unacceptable, especially these junk video cards that are selling for $700.
so then every video card pretty much ever made is junk then right? because the 8800 ultra when it came out which was a beast couldnt even come close to maxing crysis
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post #147 of 167
I understand i7monkey's sentiments. You would think that with premium prices, you should get premium performance, and I don't think it's wrong to demand that.

Unfortunately, history has shown us time and time again that the jump from generation to generation is not likely to yield 100% performance in the least. The closest we have ever gotten to that mythical figure may be the jump from the Radeon 8500 to the Radeon 9700 Pro or from the GeForce 7900GTX to the 8800GTX. Those examples are few and far between, and it makes sense because those jumps were accompanied by significant changes in GPU architectural design. Nowadays, current GPU's are mostly further revisions on "older" architectures. The G92 and it's myriad of variants are a good example of a great design that just refuses to die.

However, I, and many others, feel the expectations towards the HD6990 and GTX 590 have been sorely misplaced. We've known from the get-go that these cards were going to be high-end dual-GPU designs that fit on a single slot. If the single-GPU cards are already hot, loud, and power hungry as they are, what was supposed to change to make these dual-GPU cards any different? If there is any truth at all, it's that every generation has grown to be more and more power hungry, which ultimately requires better cooling due to the increased heat output. The only reason why we even need 1000+W power supplies in the first place is because of video cards; no other high end component consumes nearly as much power at full load!

Furthermore, if you really think about it, there just aren't that many games out there that truly do push the limits of games that necessitate tremendous leaps in performance. Benchmarks that all these review sites present showcase only just a handful of games that are actually available. The majority of other games out there either strike a fine balance between performance and hardware utilization, or are straight up console ports.

But to play the devil's advocate, the flip side is that there is the (rather) crowd which will whine and moan when games become *TOO* challenging. Every so often, when a game comes along that demolishes every bleeding edge system in sight over the next few years, people are outraged and cry "poor coding." Crysis was one such unfortunate victim that was lambasted for its lasting impact. It goes down in infamy as a defacto benchmark/tech demo as opposed to an actual game that attained technical greatness for its time.

So really, you can't please everybody. As is the case with bleeding edge enthusiast cards such as the HD6990 and GTX590, if you have to question its value, it just isn't for you.
 
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so then every video card pretty much ever made is junk then right? because the 8800 ultra when it came out which was a beast couldnt even come close to maxing crysis
No, the 8800's were awesome for their time because they maxed the games released back then. Crysis wasn't released until a year later. Also, you're only talking about 1 8800 Ultra and the new cards are dual GPU cards. You should be looking at 2x 8800 GTS 640 MB for a better comparison. 2 of those would be much faster than a singe Ultra and most likely do almost decently in Crysis.
     
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No, the 8800's were awesome for their time because they maxed the games released back then. Crysis wasn't released until a year later. Also, you're only talking about 1 8800 Ultra and the new cards are dual GPU cards. You should be looking at 2x 8800 GTS 640 MB for a better comparison. 2 of those would be much faster than a singe Ultra and most likely do almost decently in Crysis.
considering we are just finally maxing crysis out now, nothing did well back then lol.

And i was making the comparision of the most expensive card then to the most expensive one now, 8800 ultra was expensive
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considering we are just finally maxing crysis out now, nothing did well back then lol.

And i was making the comparision of the most expensive card then to the most expensive one now, 8800 ultra was expensive
Ye, I know, I was just thinking that these cards basically have 2 of the second fastest GPUs and NVIDIA didn't make any dual-GPU cards back, so IMO, 2 8800 GTS's would be a good comparison. And they'd score about 12000 in 3DMark Vantage, I think, so that's pretty beast for such old cards.
     
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