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Originally Posted by Masked;12867253 
Well, good...Already have mine in my rig, using it OC'd at 1.05 right now...Guess what, it's at 840mhz and GUESS WHAT, it hasn't popped yet!!!

If it does, we'll discuss it...Until then, who cares?

Drivers are working excellent and...it's quiet tongue.gif

What brand Masked? I think i will receive my POV TGT Ultra Charged next week and i'll do some testing with it ...
post #142 of 172
This is the reason the 590 is blowing up.

The reference cooler is crap!! That's the reason the card is so quiet because the stock cooler is not good enough!!!



Just look at the heat out put from the VRM's under load!!!

SLOPPY design by Nvidia....
post #143 of 172
Using noise as an argument against the 6990 is somewhat moot, don't you think? Anyone that has $7-750 laying around most likely can afford or already has a watercooling setup, no?
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post #144 of 172
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No card ever has
Compare a 580 vs 6970. ( Nvidia's top of the line single GPU vs AMD's )

I already hear your argument, the 6970 is cheaper, of course it is, AMD HAD to price it on par with the 570 since that's where its performance puts it. Surely they would've loved to be on par with a 580 but FELL SHORT, and had to price it accordingly.

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GPU-Z?

And guess what?

I can get a 6990 + water block for same price as a GTX 590.

Overclock the 6990 and still have more performance then you
6990 WITH warranty $734.99: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-529-_-Product

GTX 590 $699:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-436-_-Product

How much is the 6990 waterblock? Does it cost -$34.99?

For people buying a 6990 in the U.S. and Canada your comment is invalid.
Edited by 2010rig - 3/25/11 at 12:07pm
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post #145 of 172
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I can get a 6990 + water block for same price as a GTX 590.
OH you're in the UK, I'm going by U.S. prices, since that's where most people are from and that's the standard. Even in Canada, the prices are exactly the same.

Then why don't you have a 6990 + water block already? Since you love it so much.

6990 £559.99 - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=GX-252-AS

590 £599.99 - http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...14&subcat=1966

Are water blocks only £40 in the UK?
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post #146 of 172
Somethings I do want to hit on.

1. Reducing the gpu temperature can help the weak design in the power delivery. I don't think watercooling will be enough, and it's completely absurd to invest in an alternative cooling solution just to maintain a peace of mind at stock conditons. Once you overclock, watercooling will still lead to the same scenario we have with the stock cooler. One would have to push the temperature well below ambient to reduce power requirements of the gpu to satisfy a moderate overclock and maintain safe conditions on the vrm's. What worries me are the end users who will use this card in conditions much harsher than a temperate climate. Even at stock values an increase in ambient will increase the gpu power requirements and ultimately the draw through the vrm's. If anything OCP will be triggered MUCH easier, and depending on the ambient I could even see it triggering off the OCP wall at stock frequencies.

2. Drivers are not the issue. The drivers just cover up a flaw in engineering once the card makes it into the OS. It does not prevent a catastrophic event outside of the OS or in a situation where drivers aren't loaded. IE safe mode in windows or posting. When posting most cards briefly spool to their 3d clocks and voltage, and often times at extremely low fan speeds.

3. I won't be buying one of these. Having to worry about a silicon bomb with the summer season right around the corner is not something I'd enjoy. On a side note, I won't be buying a 6990 either. I prefer multiples of single card gpu's for various reasons, and the most important was always power delivery to individual gpu's.

4. There's more to what I want to say, but in favor of keeping an infractionless reputation and the sake of not making people look like alienware admins I will keep my tongue to myself on this one.
Edited by JeremiahTheBullfrog - 3/25/11 at 11:23am
post #147 of 172
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This statement makes no sense and has no relevance to this thread.


You mean the GPU that gives me GTX 580 performance for $350?



The first fermi release, or the GF-100's was probably the worst launch of a GPU in Nvidia's history.
The GTX 560, 570 and 580 are much better in every way.
The validity of my arguments are self evident

The worst nVidia releases in recent history were the 9xxx/2xx series which cause profound loss of market share, the 4xx series allowed them to regain some of the market share at a cost to the company

nVidia electrical engineers have ducked up the voltage regulation for the 5xx series

I won't argue any more over this on the internet
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well.. if it dies at stock clocks AND stock voltages, it's a piece of ****. However, that's what WARRANTIES are for. You can easily RMA a card that you haven't OC'd. So there is no harm in getting the card. Stop trolling dude.
     
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See nvidia, this wouldn't have been a problem in the first place if you guys would have beefed up your power delivery system. Even with a waterblock, these things will still fry because the gtx 590 has only a 4+1 phase power per gpu, and it is a mediocre 4+1. The hd 6990 is a much, much better choice for enthusiasts because it includes a much beefier power delivery system so overvolting and overclocking with a waterblock is no issue.
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All 4 sources AND Nvidia stated that the driver wasn't pushing the fan to properly cool the card...Reading comprehension would be an excellent starting point in your future career.

It even says so in the original release:
Hey mister Alienware Admin, I suck at reading comprehension and need your help. Where does the original release say, the fan wasn't pushed properly to cool the card?

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/n...p?p_faqid=2947

All I can comprehend is, that the overcurrent protection got enhanced. Does improving the overcurrent protection simply mean "crank that **** fan up, yo!"? Does lowering the temperatures lower the current drawn? (*) How much does it need to be cranked up, to get the 111C around the VRM area to safer levels? Maybe reviewers need to remeasure the noise of the cards with proper drivers?

(*) Yes, it actualy does. But not much.
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