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All of this seems a little harsh on NVidia to me. The cards get damaged by overclocking. So what? You are running it outside of the specs for which it was designed. And for which it was sold. Not the manufacturers fault. When you overclock a card you are taking the risk that you can get higher performance than you paid for with the potential that you get reduced life. It's your choice.

Regarding the power systems on the cards - to remain in the PCIe specs there is a limit to how much power the cards can draw. Just because this card is in effect 2 cards bolted together is irrelevant - it's still one card in one slot. So it doesn't (necessarily) need double the power handling capability of a single high-end card.

If NVidia had locked the clocks & voltages down then everyone would be complaining about that too. You can't have it both ways. If you overvolt & kill a product it's your fault for pushing it too hard. Not the manufacturer's fault for not building it so you could push as hard as you want without consequences. In short - grow up and take responsibility for your actions.
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they needed three 8-pin plugs for this....
post #23 of 172
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I think this is an unfair statement.

I fry cards all the time, 99% of the time, when it happens; it's a driver issue.

Fried a 6990 last week and a 6970; shall I start a thread and claim the card was faulty as are all 6990s? No...Because that's wrong and unreasonable.

People fried their cards because of over-heating on Beta drivers...Every review where the card was fried; said that...

So, it is, 100%, a driver issue and is/was solved.
Whatever you are doing, you might want to stop it. I've never fried a GPU. Ever! I've been overclocking CPUs and GPUs for over 10 years.
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I think this is an unfair statement.

I fry cards all the time, 99% of the time, when it happens; it's a driver issue.

Fried a 6990 last week and a 6970; shall I start a thread and claim the card was faulty as are all 6990s? No...Because that's wrong and unreasonable.

People fried their cards because of over-heating on Beta drivers...Every review where the card was fried; said that...

So, it is, 100%, a driver issue and is/was solved.
no it isn't
you fry cards all the time o.O
what kind of overclocker are you......i know i sound really biased at this point, but you must be frigging rich to fry cards and then come around to this thread saying "oh its only driver issues, 100% driver fault"........
I can tell you that I would treat my cards better and be more careful than you sound.....
*end rant
TLDR; you suck at overclocking, what others have said, not many people fry that many GPU's especially expensive ones in a period of weeks.....

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If you look at the facts, I dont think you'd share the same sentiment.

GTX 590 has a total of 12 power phases. Divided by two, you have 4 for the GPU, 1 for the Memory Controller and 1(dual phase) for the memory. So effectively, it's a 4+2 phase power supply powering a 150~170W chip.

Sound dangerous?

http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/94...hy-choose.html

I think so, especially since the GTX 580 originally comes with 6+2 power phases. 4+2 is just teetering on the brink of failure.

And 4+2 phases are inadequate even for GTX 570's, as seen here.

http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/9291...led-570-a.html
this is a more plausible reason
once you start cranking the volts up, VRM's will pop
think of a pipe (VRM) with the water (voltage) flowing through. The more voltage you pump in, the higher the pressure on the VRM's, then they "pop"

yes it could be partly a driver issue, but I think its the power delivery design as well
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Overvolted? People have had their GTX 580's safe at 1.2v. In fact, isnt the stock of a GTX 580 about 1.1v?
Again, NOT true.

Every card that has so-far fried was overvaulted.

I'd know, I have a 590 in front of me, just delivered by my UPS buddy...I'm told NOT to use the drivers on the CD but, to download the newest flavor from NVIDIA.

The fact is, regardless of how "faulty" you think the cards were, there is a "limiting" factor and people took it beyond that factor; that's their fault.

I guess from now on whenever I fry out a 6990 because the phases are faulty, I'll make a post about how terrible they are...

PS ~ I'm an Alienware Admin ~ I fry cards to find their limits so customers don't do it, themselves and blame us ~ It's quite fun, actually.
Edited by Masked - 3/25/11 at 5:17am
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Just curious how its Nvidia's fault that people over-volted the card.
No, it is Nvidia fault for cheaping out on the phases on their FLAGSHIP card.
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No, it is Nvidia fault for cheaping out on the phases on their FLAGSHIP card.
no and no
its partly both
remember, OC;ing is a BONUS

if it runs fine on stock, you can't complain
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I'd know, I have a 590 in front of me, just deleivered by my UPS buddy...I'm told NOT to use the drivers on the CD but, to download the newest flavor from NVIDIA.
Sounds like damage control to me. So, try telling all those people with burnt 570's that their lack of power phases was a driver error.
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no and no
its partly both
remember, OC;ing is a BONUS

if it runs fine on stock, you can't complain
sure I can't complain... then I go buy a 6990 because I can over-volt it with a flip of a switch and beat the 590 @ stock easily. Plus it won't "blow up" on me.

Nvidia cheaping out = lost business to AMD
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