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post #51 of 172
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All of this seems a little harsh on NVidia to me. The cards get damaged by overclocking. So what? You are running it outside of the specs for which it was designed. And for which it was sold. Not the manufacturers fault. When you overclock a card you are taking the risk that you can get higher performance than you paid for with the potential that you get reduced life. It's your choice.

Regarding the power systems on the cards - to remain in the PCIe specs there is a limit to how much power the cards can draw. Just because this card is in effect 2 cards bolted together is irrelevant - it's still one card in one slot. So it doesn't (necessarily) need double the power handling capability of a single high-end card.

If NVidia had locked the clocks & voltages down then everyone would be complaining about that too. You can't have it both ways. If you overvolt & kill a product it's your fault for pushing it too hard. Not the manufacturer's fault for not building it so you could push as hard as you want without consequences. In short - grow up and take responsibility for your actions.
thats right, its like if your going to by a big engine and add nitro then it end up blowing up, theres no way they'll take that crap back. you have to deal with it and buy another one.
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post #52 of 172
At the people saying "Don't OC it and run it out of specifications!", this card is aimed at the market that does overclock...nVidia knows this and should have designed the card for that, add in the fact that if you're unlucky and get a lower quality batch of VRMs and GPUs (i.e. The ones that require more voltage, can happen no matter what) then this could happen at stock...And one site had it happen at 1.025v I think?
    
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post #53 of 172
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thats right, its like if your going to by a big engine and add nitro then it end up blowing up, theres no way they'll take that crap back. you have to deal with it and buy another one.
Yes and No. The proper example would be the manufacturer sets up your car with nitro and a push button, but says if you use it you’re on your own.

I would use your example for people who solder or penciled in their own bypasses to overvoltage and then they over heat the video card.
Edited by scaz - 3/25/11 at 7:46am
post #54 of 172
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had the card been 2x570 with twice memory,i.e. 4.8g vram. and normal clocks the card would be much better in everyway possible, and oc as a beast...
That would just be a complete waste and slower... 4.8GB would be almost 4 wasted GB with 2 slower cores.
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Regardless of what the drivers did, if it had more power phases then each phase would be running cooler, reducing the risk of permanent damage.

MSI learned the hard way, now nVidia gets away with it.
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no and no
its partly both
remember, OC;ing is a BONUS

if it runs fine on stock, you can't complain
But it doesn't run exactly fine on Stock. There is a bug that will not enable OCP when installing default drivers as well. Someone who is not looking specifically for this "bug" might not research it online, and or get new drivers right away....

Fried card a day later...Who's fault is it? And we now have a highly annoyed consumer

Yeah we are OCN, so we'll get new drivers , same day etc...normally...cough
post #57 of 172
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At the people saying "Don't OC it and run it out of specifications!", this card is aimed at the market that does overclock...nVidia knows this and should have designed the card for that, add in the fact that if you're unlucky and get a lower quality batch of VRMs and GPUs (i.e. The ones that require more voltage, can happen no matter what) then this could happen at stock...And one site had it happen at 1.025v I think?
It doesn't matter what the voltage it fails at is - what matters is that it is higher than stock. The card is aimed at the performance market - it is their choice to overclock, and nobody is forcing them to do it. NVidia shouldn't be ensuring the card is capable of overclocking - if they do then it isn't overclocking is it? If people choose to do it then they take the risk. AMD's method of locking the voltages is ideal here actually - putting a button on the card that says 'I'm making the choice to push this harder than the engineers who built it said I should, but I'm making the call and will have to live with the result'.

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Yes and No. The proper example would be the dealer sets up your car with nitro and a push button, but says if you use it your on your own.
Not really - it would be more akin to them installing the Nitro and setting the pressure & timings, then telling you not to adjust them or you might break things. You then have the option of tweaking a valve if you want, but it's your choice & you've been warned about it. Then if you tweak a valve & blow your engine apart it's your own fault...
post #58 of 172
I can't beleive people are blaming drivers for the cards VRM's going pop.

The cards just got a very bad VRM design.

Nvidia THEMSELVES don't recommend going much higher then the stock voltage even under WATER COOLING!!

Cool temps will NOT magically make the VRM's provide any more power then they're rated for and people should let that sink in to there thick heads.

If Nvidia used a bigger PCB like ATI did with the 6990 then they would of had more PCB space for a much beefier VRM design.

The cards just badly engineered... END OF STORY.
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The cards just badly engineered... END OF STORY.
^This^
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U can keep educating some hardcore fanboys the facts here all days but they still won't get it i'm sure . They might don't even have their brains straight .

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I can't beleive people are blaming drivers for the cards VRM's going pop.

The cards just got a very bad VRM design.

Nvidia THEMSELVES don't recommend going much higher then the stock voltage even under WATER COOLING!!

Cool temps will NOT magically make the VRM's provide any more power then they're rated for and people should let that sink in to there thick heads.

If Nvidia used a bigger PCB like ATI did with the 6990 then they would of had more PCB space for a much beefier VRM design.

The cards just badly engineered... END OF STORY.
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