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post #61 of 172
As a long time Nvidia user, my exact sentiment is:

1. Nvidia may have went cheap on the cards' architecture and stretched the truth. "yeah we are surprised by the card all right". Claims to be quieter? Before or after the "pop"? Real quiet...

2. Nvidia knew flatout that this card had lowered expectations of OC by reference design than previous models. For a "Flagship" card to have so little headroom, and for the main consumers of this expensive card to be surprised by it after release, when undoubtedly NVidia knew, is tantamount to LYING imo...no surprise....check out some of the Pitchmen on some of the promo video's around.

3. If this were a $100.00 card we wouldn't be having this "debate". This was touted as a Ferrari, now we find out that if you go 85mph your engine is "damn well gonna blow". No they say, "The posted speed limit is 60mph". We'll I don't need a Ferrari then. I should choose a different manufactuer where expectation and delivery are aligned.

4. The card has great specs as is Stock, however with the vulnerabilities it is Overpriced imo.
post #62 of 172
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Originally Posted by N3C14R View Post
So let me get this straight. The reviewers were at fault, not Nvidia by overvolting them past design specifications?

Hope they're still eligible for RMA...
lol agreed. but all the fan-boi's will disagree.
post #63 of 172
The biggest problem is that there might not be any 3rd party versions of this card.

The overclocking head room is so bad compared to a normal GTX 580 that the only way to fix the problem is to use higher quality VRM's with more phases.

Now the reference VRM design is so bad because of lack of PCB space.

And there's the problem ladies and gentlemen.

To be able to use higher quality VRM's and more power phases you're going to need more PCB space. Infact MORE PCB space then reference PCB has, Which meens that a 3rd party vendor is going to have to COMPLETELY redesign and develop there own PCB.

The R&D cost world no doubt cost a huge amount of money, Followed that by the cost of using higher quality components in the first place along with the cost of a beefier air cooler and you have A LOT of financial out lay in terms of R&D, Labour and parts.

That financial out lay will be recovered from the consumer.

The reference card is already $700 so can you imagine the cost of a 3rd variant!!!
post #64 of 172
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Originally Posted by Ghoxt View Post
As a long time Nvidia user, my exact sentiment is:

1. Nvidia may have went cheap on the cards' architecture and stretched the truth. "yeah we are surprised by the card all right". Claims to be quieter? Before or after the "pop"? Real quiet...

2. Nvidia knew flatout that this card had lowered expectations of OC by reference design than previous models. For a "Flagship" card to have so little headroom, and for the main consumers of this expensive card to be surprised by it after release, when undoubtedly NVidia knew, is tantamount to LYING imo...no surprise....check out some of the Pitchmen on some of the promo video's around.

3. If this were a $100.00 card we wouldn't be having this "debate". This was touted as a Ferrari, now we find out that if you go 85mph your engine is "damn well gonna blow". No they say, "The posted speed limit is 60mph". We'll I don't need a Ferrari then. I should choose a different manufactuer where expectation and delivery are aligned.

4. The card has great specs as is Stock, however with the vulnerabilities it is Overpriced imo.
All things I agree with and was getting blasted by the blind Nvidia fanboys inhere. Nice to see someone that can criticize a company that they like -- if they release a poorly engineered product.
post #65 of 172
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The biggest problem is that there might not be any 3rd party versions of this card.

The overclocking head room is so bad compared to a normal GTX 580 that the only way to fix the problem is to use higher quality VRM's with more phases.

Now the reference VRM design is so bad because of lack of PCB space.

And there's the problem ladies and gentlemen.

To be able to use higher quality VRM's and more power phases you're going to need more PCB space. Infact MORE PCB space then reference PCB has, Which meens that a 3rd party vendor is going to have to COMPLETELY redesign and develop there own PCB.

The R&D cost world no doubt cost a huge amount of money, Followed that by the cost of using higher quality components in the first place along with the cost of a beefier air cooler and you have A LOT of financial out lay in terms of R&D, Labour and parts.

That financial out lay will be recovered from the consumer.

The reference card is already $700 so can you imagine the cost of a 3rd variant!!!
Well let me tell you this.

If you expected the GTX 590 to overclock as good as 2 GTX 580s you seriously were expecting way too much considering the cards were downclocked to 607Mhz. Also if that was possible you would have the heat and the power ussgae of 2 GTX 580s and probably the price of 2 GTX 580s.

BTW TPU got the card to 775Mhz stable. That's a pretty sweet overclock if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by Poisoner View Post
Why does the GTX 580 have a 6+1 power phase and the GTX 590 has two 4+1 power phases when they both have the same exact chip? This is not a 'strawman' argument. It is a legitimate hypothesis of how and why these cards are failing.
Because otherwise you would have the power usage and the heat of 2 GTX 580s plus a higher price tag.
Edited by saulin - 3/25/11 at 8:42am
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post #66 of 172
You know what....VRM phases and Drivers aside the 6990 is FASTER so Nvidiabots can blame whatever they like.

END OF STORY
post #67 of 172
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Well let me tell you this.

If you expected the GTX 590 to overclock as good as 2 GTX 580s you seriously were expecting way too much considering the cards were downclocked to 607Mhz. Also if that was possible you would have the heat and the power ussgae of 2 GTX 580s and probably the price of 2 GTX 580s.

BTW TPU got the card to 775Mhz stable. That's a pretty sweet overclock if you ask me.
Wow! One card overclocked well

Also the cores the GTX 590 uses are higher binned and are the absolute cream of the Fermi crop. They require less voltage and and give off less heat then lower binned GTX 580 cores.

I can name some 5770's that have hit over 1.1Ghz
post #68 of 172
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Wow! One card overclocked well

I can name some 5770's that have hit over 1.1Ghz
Pureoverclock got it to 775Mhz as well

Sorry but the card does overclock pretty good. Not as good a 2 GTX 580s would of course
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post #69 of 172
It reminds me of my old GTX295 ... but that one could clock like hell!!!

The stock was at 576Mhz if i recall correctly, and i could clock it to 765Mhz

The only thing it differs is that ... it didn't blow up and required about 1.16v to do so

So if we think this through, it's not that different...
post #70 of 172
This is cool of Nvidia, actually like going out of their way to make sure that you can overclock this card as safely and and much as possible. I remember when overclocking was heavily frowned upon by the companies.
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