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Glad I got an ipad 2 instead. This is a shame with the android tablet app market bare as is, this just makes it worse.
Yes, that makes perfect sense.
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Just the rate the smartphones are progressing, you'd think google would just let everybody do their own thing. It's not like they would need to force me to upgrade a newer phone, most people just follow their provider's upgrade cycles anyways. I'm not sure how their revenue from the android project works, but it seems like they are doing very well.

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Droid is a neat platform-but it never was open sourced. "Open source" was just a marketing term to make it hip.
As for open source. Yeah, I agree, it seems like it's an open platform. But not quite open source. Unlike the iphone and wimo7, at least it's modder friendly, I'll at least take that much. It's like windows, it's not totally open, but at least it's no apple OS.

It seems like it's the providers which is the worst offender, followed by some dick moves from the manufacturer. Sure, google could be better, but they aren't the ones who make me angry. Speaking of providers being douches. My Rogers Captivate is infinitely better than the one I was using from AT&T. Sideloading is ok, tethering is ok, everything is pretty much ok. Way less bloatware, and I'm almost certain it boots faster too.
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Sounds like the HTC HD2 is perfect for you. Runs a ton of OS'es not really intended to function on the device.
Get back to me when I can use the device on any carrier without a data plan. I live around wireless networks, and I refuse to pay $1000/yr for a data plan I don't need or want and that is also slower than free wi-fi I have constant access to.
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So? Since when were computers only appliances to be run only as a manufacturer explicitly delineated?

It is my phone, and blast it, I should be able to run GNU/HURD on it if I want to try. If I brick my phone trying, that is my problem.
I don't argue that. I'm not happy about this either, I was looking forward to trying out Honeycomb on a phone. Android's whole purpose is its ability to be tinkered with and this is bringing down that image. Don't you think that if Honeycomb was killing a few thousand phones out there Google would be bashed for having an unstable Android release? They don't want that and I don't blame them for that reasoning. Ice-cream sandwich is going to be a merge of Gingerbread and Honeycomb, and it should be out any day now. By any day now I mean not far off, in the summer maybe June. The longest Google has taken in releasing the next Android version is ~7 months. Gingerbread came out in December so June seems pretty realistic especially considering they already have Honeycomb to work from and just integrate into Gingerbread.

I have an HD2 on Gingerbread by the way, and it's awesome. You can grab an HD2 from T-Mobile for $30 now, and I really don't see the point in wanting a nice phone if you're not getting 3G/4G with it. You're saying you have CONSTANT access to Wi-Fi 24 hours of your day? That's a different story and totally outside the norm, but I see why you refuse to pay for data if that's so.
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I now officially hate Google.

Meego ftw.
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I don't argue that. I'm not happy about this either, I was looking forward to trying out Honeycomb on a phone. Android's whole purpose is its ability to be tinkered with and this is bringing down that image. Don't you think that if Honeycomb was killing a few thousand phones out there Google would be bashed for having an unstable Android release? They don't want that and I don't blame them for that reasoning. Ice-cream sandwich is going to be a merge of Gingerbread and Honeycomb, and it should be out any day now. By any day now I mean not far off, in the summer maybe June. The longest Google has taken in releasing the next Android version is ~7 months. Gingerbread came out in December so June seems pretty realistic especially considering they already have Honeycomb to work from and just integrate into Gingerbread.
The problem seems to be the handset makers...that build devices tailored explicitly to an OS and nothing else. I'd bet money they could make phones that could have OSes upgraded if they wanted. Heck, I'll bet they did so long ago or planned on it-and then a CEO decided they could make more money with locked-OS handsets.
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Get back to me when I can use the device on any carrier without a data plan. I live around wireless networks, and I refuse to pay $1000/yr for a data plan I don't need or want and that is also slower than free wi-fi I have constant access to.
lol wut? you can get the phone off ebay unlocked for $200. and no data plan
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lol wut? you can get the phone off ebay unlocked for $200. and no data plan
And getting it on my Sprint voice plan is a no-go. Believe me I thought about it. They refuse to activate and 'droid device without a data plan...and from my minimal research online, doing it myself is far from a certain thing.
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post #19 of 44
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The problem seems to be the handset makers...that build devices tailored explicitly to an OS and nothing else. I'd bet money they could make phones that could have OSes upgraded if they wanted. Heck, I'll bet they did so long ago or planned on it-and then a CEO decided they could make more money with locked-OS handsets.
Oh absolutely. You better BELIEVE these providers/manufacturers are the greedy bastards limiting our experience. 4G? Probably doesn't cost them much more than 3G to provide to us, but they charge an extra ($10 is it?) to have it on your plan. Really though, every tech company works this way. You really think technology is "limiting" NVIDIA/ATI/Intel/AMD from producing INSANE chips that can run ANY game for the next 10 years including real-life-realistic textures and effects? Nooooo... they just don't WANT to do that because it means if you buy their new product, you won't need to buy a damn thing more from them. Roll out little upgrades several months apart and keep that money rolling in. People will always want the next best thing. Technology is RIDICULOUSLY more advanced than what the market currently offers. We (the public) have pretty nice technology as it is. Can you even IMAGINE the full potential the government/manufacturers actually have in their hands?
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Yes, that makes perfect sense.
It does make perfect sense

1) I knew what I was getting into, instead of being mislead.

2) 10x the number of apps.

3) cheaper with many more options.
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