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So I decided to use some extra hardware I have sitting around and create a small server just for my main rig. This way, I can off-load the RAID controller and all the drives, etc. Initially, I'm going to set the server up for file storage and some terminal services but maybe some other services later.

My existing network looks something like this:

Router (Untangle soon to be pfSense) -> Cisco SLM2008 smart gigabit switch -> client machines and dumb switches (to include a WAP).

My rig being one of those clients, I'd like to keep my connection to the rest of the network but also create a private link to the new server. I'm not sure whether to accomplish this using a cross-over cable, a vlan, a switch, etc, nor am I sure on how to setup the network settings exactly. Any guidance?
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Using a separate subnet sounds like the easiest option, but probably the least secure as well. You can use a VLAN if you require security, but do not have much experience with those, and admittedly it requires that you have a compatible switch (most Cisco switches support VLAN's though, so you should be fine as long as the clients are attached directly to the Cisco switches).
If you're willing to do a separate subnet, in Linux you can specify IP's for "virtual" cards of the same card, e.g eth0:0. I don't know how to do it in Windows.

Example (all irrelevant text omitted):
Code:
# ifconfig

wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr xx 
          inet addr:192.168.1.58  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1

# ifconfig wlan0:0 192.168.1.254
# ifconfig
wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr xx
          inet addr:192.168.1.58  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1

wlan0:0   Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr xx
          inet addr:192.168.1.254  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1

# ping 192.168.1.254 -c 1
PING 192.168.1.254 (192.168.1.254) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.1.254: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.046 ms

--- 192.168.1.254 ping statistics ---
1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.046/0.046/0.046/0.000 ms
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^ Hi gonx: The switch does support vlans (but I think I'd need a bit of guidance on setting this up properly). Also, I'm using windows-to-windows (Win7 client and Server '08 R2).
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Do you need security? If so, you want to use VLAN's.

What is it exactly you want to accomplish? I don't see it
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It doesn't need to be that complicated. Enable the second nic on your foxconn and configure it statically with a different subnet then your normal network with no default gateway. Configure the machine you want to isolate with the same subnet and plug them into the switch. If you configure your server with the default gateway's IP of your foxconn nic, all should be fine..
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Couple of things you could do.

1) Enable second NIC on your box and just hang the server off of that, in a private subnet. If you wanted external access for the server to the internet you could use Internet Connection Sharing, which would put this server behind NAT and traffic would appear to originate from your desktop's IP.

2) Use separate VLANs and use an access list to deny specific networks from connecting to your server. This may involve placing your desktop into it's own 'allowed' VLAN.
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Do you need security? If so, you want to use VLAN's.

What is it exactly you want to accomplish? I don't see it
I'm trying to remove network access to this server for everyone but my rig. The 'fam' has a server all to themselves for their own needs but I want to offload all my drives, etc. onto a personal server (spare hardware and not-so-much spare time ).

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It doesn't need to be that complicated. Enable the second nic on your foxconn and configure it statically with a different subnet then your normal network with no default gateway. Configure the machine you want to isolate with the same subnet and plug them into the switch. If you configure your server with the default gateway's IP of your foxconn nic, all should be fine..
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Couple of things you could do.

1) Enable second NIC on your box and just hang the server off of that, in a private subnet. If you wanted external access for the server to the internet you could use Internet Connection Sharing, which would put this server behind NAT and traffic would appear to originate from your desktop's IP.

2) Use separate VLANs and use an access list to deny specific networks from connecting to your server. This may involve placing your desktop into it's own 'allowed' VLAN.
Ok, so the simplest and pretty secure way would be to setup the server on its' own subnet with no gateway -> then configure another adapter on my rig with the same subnet (but no gateway?), -> then enable internet connection sharing on my machine for the server to have access to the wan?

So, hypothetically speaking:

Router 192.168.1.1
Switch 192.168.1.254
My Rig 192.168.1.101
My 2nd Nic 192.168.5.10
New Server 192.168.5.11

Just typing that out that way makes me feel I'm doing something wrong here. I know this is easier that what I'm making it, bare with me and thanks.
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Ok, so the simplest and pretty secure way would be to setup the server on its' own subnet with no gateway -> then configure another adapter on my rig with the same subnet (but no gateway?), -> then enable internet connection sharing on my machine for the server to have access to the wan?

So, hypothetically speaking:

Router 192.168.1.1
Switch 192.168.1.254
My Rig 192.168.1.101
My 2nd Nic 192.168.5.10
New Server 192.168.5.11
Almost. I've never used internet sharing but Wikipedia mentions it uses NAT, so if that's true then all you'll need to do is configure your new server with the default gateway of the IP address of your second nic.

Machines on your other subnet will still be able to access your server if they configure their windows routing tables with route maps to the 192.168.5.0 network by pointing the default gateway to your 192.168.1.101 address. You might be able to add some firewall scope rules to deny source traffic from specific hosts on your home network from reaching your server by adding inbound rules on your server.

Does that switch support access-control lists? If so, then you're golden and a couple simple permit and deny statements will get you rolling..
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Does that switch support access-control lists? If so, then you're golden and a couple simple permit and deny statements will get you rolling..
I just pulled up the manual. It support management access control, but not standard or extended ACL's. That's a pretty nice switch, has some nice features. 802.1x, span, qos, vlans.
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I just pulled up the manual. It support management access control, but not standard or extended ACL's. That's a pretty nice switch, has some nice features. 802.1x, span, qos, vlans.
Yea, the features it offers for the price is an unreal deal. The only problems I've heard of them having is heat but I have that taken care of with a simple mod.

I appreciate the help, btw.
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