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[ZDNet] Microsoft's anti-piracy effort may have gone a t-shirt too far

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A measure making its way through the Washington state legislature would make it illegal for manufacturers that use pirated software to sell goods in the state. Sounds fair. But opponents say they interpret the bill to mean that Microsoft and others can sue US companies that use parts from overseas suppliers who used pirated software, according to the Seattle Times. The “bill would affect retailers that make $50 million or more in annual sales and that have a direct contract with the manufacturer. Retailers would have 18 months to change manufacturers or persuade their manufacturers to pay for software.”

Brad Smith, Microsoft’s General Counsel, countered that “companies in countries with lax intellectual-property protections laugh at Microsoft when it asks them to pay for software. ‘They tell us they have no intention of paying for something they can steal with immunity,’ ”
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Just like wow, I mean wow... This is huge!

Forget the pirate, go after the users, if they have money that is!
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You heard me right. If a company overseas uses a pirated version of Excel, let’s say, keeping track of how many parts it has shipped or whatever, and then sends some parts to General Motors or any large company to incorporate into the finished product, Microsoft can sue *not the overseas supplier* but General Motors, for unfair competition. So can the state’s Attorney General. I kid you not. For piracy that was done by someone else, overseas. The product could be T shirts. It doesn’t matter what it is, so long as it’s manufactured with contributions from an overseas supplier, like in China, who didn’t pay Microsoft for software that it uses somewhere in the business. It’s the US company that has to pay damages, not the overseas supplier.


How is GE supposed to verify if the vendor that they are working with is using a legit copy of Excel?

Crazy...
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I don't get it.. maybe someone can clear it up
Example:
I have a company that sells.. I dunno, crappy t-shirts.... I buy my ink from a company in some other country that uses pirated versions of windows... and I can get sued?
How the hell do I know if my supplier uses pirated software?

as a buyer, you cannot ask your supplier... "hey! show me your valid licenses before I buy from you" WTH is that?

this ain't going anywhere..
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Originally Posted by HellyHans View Post
I don't get it.. maybe someone can clear it up
Example:
I have a company that sells.. I dunno, crappy t-shirts.... I buy my ink from a company in some other country that uses pirated versions of windows... and I can get sued?
How the hell do I know if my supplier uses pirated software?

as a buyer, you cannot ask your supplier... "hey! show me your valid licenses before I buy from you" WTH is that?

this ain't going anywhere..
Well it only effects companies that make over 50 million dollars a year. So more or less only large corporations.. Also people like Microsoft aren't suing companies like GE for money, but are requiring GE by law to either persuade their supplier that is using illegal software to buy the software or to switch to a company that is more legit.. I personally could see it as a good thing not only for Microsoft, but rather that it could force the legitimate American businesses to be able to get some more business again (not saying all overseas companies aren’t- legitimate.)
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Brad Smith, Microsoft’s General Counsel, countered that “companies in countries with lax intellectual-property protections laugh at Microsoft when it asks them to pay for software. ‘They tell us they have no intention of paying for something they can steal with immunity,’
The point here is to give those cocky Chinese companies that knowingly use (and brag about) pirated software a big FU by taking away their clients.

The American companies have 18 months (that's 1 year and a half) to change suppliers/manufacturers. They would only get sued if they're stupid.


How can they know if the manufacturer uses genuine software? Easy, Microsoft provides them with a Certificate of Authenticity of Real Really Genuine non-Pirated Software of Awesomeness that proves said manufacturer is OK.
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Why don't they just use free alternatives.
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Why don't they just use free alternatives.
Because "they can steal [MS products] with immunity". That's why.
    
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Originally Posted by Z Overlord View Post
Why don't they just use free alternatives.
Yeah, exactly.


I think M$ fails to realize that pirated software makes up a large chunk of their market share, and cracking down like this (which is really economically regressive, btw) will just encourage people to turn elsewhere for similar products. I mean, in the end, everyone who uses pirated M$ software isn't a competitor's product, which is still good for M$.

I mean, think about what would happen the hypothetical instant Photoshop became impossible to pirate. They'd loose half of their market share, and someone else will be happy to swoop in and replace them.
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Originally Posted by Z Overlord View Post
Why don't they just use free alternatives.
Because it's about force. It's about forcibly including people when it benefits you and forcibly excluding them when it doesn't. They will screw over open source leaving no other pathway then try to force you to pay the screw over army tax and buy it's lawyer tanks.

What microsoft understands is people want them dead. Gone. They don't want them to have their way. Now is the justice department and fbi going to force everybody to pay taxes and build prisons and use the entire resources of the country to "enforce" microsoft's will on everybody. Then it becomes like big tobacco and the department of alchahol tobacco and firearms. Which made it illegal to sell alchahol, forced everybody out of the business, set up a monopoly behind the thug agency and then opened up big alchahol, big tobacco and big firearms.

Just watch as they set up a bureau of software and then make it illegal to do something, force away all the competition and then set up monopolies behind the force arm agency. But instead of having 70 bajillion ADDED carcinogens and extra addictiveness added to your cigarettes you'll get extra spyware, no security and huge added software costs to keep the behemoth monopoly running.

Which is why when I see an ATF agent I want to draw and quarter him using cement trucks and chains. Because he's not a law enforcement agent he's a monopoly thug. People will feel the EXACT same way about software enforcement. And then just like the "The Truth.Com" when these thugs who run this "vice" do bad things all they'll do is fine them and give the money to 16 year old kids to make commercials about how much they suck. Ensuring no money or justice gets to the victims.

So let's go ahead and create this law and create whatever agency you want to create and let the bullets fly. Because if you think grandma smashing the phone system at comcast is funny wait till you see the blood that will flow at the retail stores and cable companies over this.
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Hephasteus where did you go to college lol what a argument +2 intellectual points
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