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post #11 of 38
I think it's going a bit too far. Responsibilities (and liability) of a business for using, say, legit software falls on them--not to whom they contract with.

MS sounds butt-hurt that they have no power over legally enforcing the use of non-pirated software, so they'll go after the people they think they can.

It's like me blaming the car manufacturer when I get a speeding ticket. Maybe not exactly like that, but similar in spirit.

I wouldn't condone a business using pirated material/software/whatever, but honestly, this is going too far.
    
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Fisrt off, this has nothing to do with microsft directly ..

Secondly, it makes sense. If they cant stop people from dtealing their software then they can at least stop people from buying stuff from people who steal their software. It makes sense. Im sure it would just force companies that steal the software to buy it instead. Im sure that would be in their best interest rather than risk losing business due to other companies that dont steal software.
    
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But it's not like a company that buys materials from another company necessarily has the marching rights to audit each computer and verify that the software isn't cracked. No doubt one can just add a clause in a business contract that says "by signing this contract, you acknowledge that you shall use legitimately-purchased (or otherwise open-source) software for all business dealings from this point forward." It's not like anyone could come after you, since, to the best of your knowledge and based upon the signed contract, you believe the subcontractor is using legit software. It's a hopeless battle to win.
    
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post #14 of 38
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Originally Posted by tehpwnerofn00bs;12867269 
Yeah, exactly.


............

I mean, think about what would happen the hypothetical instant Photoshop became impossible to pirate. They'd loose half of their market share.....

What a ludicrous argument. Microsoft shouldn't care about software piracy on a corporate scale because this would encourage competitors? Do you think they care about their "market share" if they're not getting paid for that "market share"?
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Originally Posted by tehpwnerofn00bs;12867269 
and someone else will be happy to swoop in and replace them.
Replace them with what? more pirated software from a different company? How is that good?

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Originally Posted by Hephasteus;12867650 
Because it's about force. It's about forcibly including people when it benefits you and forcibly excluding them when it doesn't. They will screw over open source leaving no other pathway then try to force you to pay the screw over army tax and buy it's lawyer tanks.

What microsoft understands is people want them dead. Gone. They don't want them to have their way. Now is the justice department and fbi going to force everybody to pay taxes and build prisons and use the entire resources of the country to "enforce" microsoft's will on everybody. Then it becomes like big tobacco and the department of alchahol tobacco and firearms. Which made it illegal to sell alchahol, forced everybody out of the business, set up a monopoly behind the thug agency and then opened up big alchahol, big tobacco and big firearms.

Just watch as they set up a bureau of software and then make it illegal to do something, force away all the competition and then set up monopolies behind the force arm agency. But instead of having 70 bajillion ADDED carcinogens and extra addictiveness added to your cigarettes you'll get extra spyware, no security and huge added software costs to keep the behemoth monopoly running.

Which is why when I see an ATF agent I want to draw and quarter him using cement trucks and chains. Because he's not a law enforcement agent he's a monopoly thug. People will feel the EXACT same way about software enforcement. And then just like the "The Truth.Com" when these thugs who run this "vice" do bad things all they'll do is fine them and give the money to 16 year old kids to make commercials about how much they suck. Ensuring no money or justice gets to the victims.

So let's go ahead and create this law and create whatever agency you want to create and let the bullets fly. Because if you think grandma smashing the phone system at comcast is funny wait till you see the blood that will flow at the retail stores and cable companies over this.

This is just as ludicrous. You must have too much free time on your hand to come up with this. Sounds like you've got your tinfoil hat on too. People give big companies/the government too much credit that they're actually capable of engineering such elaborate conspiracies and keeping their designs secret.
Edited by JasonCz - 3/25/11 at 12:29pm
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post #15 of 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hephasteus;12867650 
Because it's about force. It's about forcibly including people when it benefits you and forcibly excluding them when it doesn't. They will screw over open source leaving no other pathway then try to force you to pay the screw over army tax and buy it's lawyer tanks.

What microsoft understands is people want them dead. Gone. They don't want them to have their way. Now is the justice department and fbi going to force everybody to pay taxes and build prisons and use the entire resources of the country to "enforce" microsoft's will on everybody. Then it becomes like big tobacco and the department of alchahol tobacco and firearms. Which made it illegal to sell alchahol, forced everybody out of the business, set up a monopoly behind the thug agency and then opened up big alchahol, big tobacco and big firearms.

Just watch as they set up a bureau of software and then make it illegal to do something, force away all the competition and then set up monopolies behind the force arm agency. But instead of having 70 bajillion ADDED carcinogens and extra addictiveness added to your cigarettes you'll get extra spyware, no security and huge added software costs to keep the behemoth monopoly running.

Which is why when I see an ATF agent I want to draw and quarter him using cement trucks and chains. Because he's not a law enforcement agent he's a monopoly thug. People will feel the EXACT same way about software enforcement. And then just like the "The Truth.Com" when these thugs who run this "vice" do bad things all they'll do is fine them and give the money to 16 year old kids to make commercials about how much they suck. Ensuring no money or justice gets to the victims.

So let's go ahead and create this law and create whatever agency you want to create and let the bullets fly. Because if you think grandma smashing the phone system at comcast is funny wait till you see the blood that will flow at the retail stores and cable companies over this.

Possibly one of the most ludicrous arguments i have EVER heard.. You make a product, someone uses it, you expect to be paid.. People start stealing your product = not getting paid, you want to do something about it. They make these agencies to make sure your product is protected, JUST as they make agencies to protect Consumer rights.. This has nothing to do with JUST Microsoft.. it’s all big companies.. Just like energizer that loses tons of money because of fake products being sold in Asia, so does apple and every other electronics company (i know that’s more hardware but still has its point) But they have no true way to enforce it.. So since we cannot force these other companies to stop using it, We can make our American companies stop using this companies AND pick a more legal/legitimate company.
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post #16 of 38
They legally, every day, go after people who employ illegal immigrants, I fail to see how encouraging a legit company to only deal with other legit companies is a BAD THING. I highly doubt even Microsoft is actually going after the end users who are receiving goods from illegal users. They don't want their money. They want them to stop legitmizing illegal users' efforts by "encouraging" them to only deal with other legitimate businesses. I actually foresee, in the long run, alot less outsourcing and alot less importing. More businesses will turn to American companies willing to play ball, helping put those foreign competitors out of business.
post #17 of 38
This will work until they figure out how to pirate the certificates.
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In other news, Linux gains market share. smile.gif
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post #19 of 38
I have a feeling this thread is going to blow up with ignorant people just bashing on Microsoft without actually understanding what's going on. Piracy is never a good thing.

edit: whoops, look like it already has
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post #20 of 38
I just came here for a t-shirt...doesn't look like I'll get one frown.gif
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