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Well, they do make up the entire state's GDP (I would think).
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This is a "nice" start to the realization that a global economy needs global enforcement. International "niceness" wont cut it in the end. If China can get ahead by sticking it to everyone else than why not? A lot of their economic practices as is just run us over.

This thing by MS might not have much of an impact in the future. But if it does it'll up the costs of production and it'll just get passed on to us if everyone follows through with it.
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post #23 of 38
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What a ludicrous argument. Microsoft shouldn't care about software piracy on a corporate scale because this would encourage competitors? Do you think they care about their "market share" if they're not getting paid for that "market share"?

Replace them with what? more pirated software from a different company? How is that good?
Not exactly what I meant. Sure they should care about piracy, they have every reason to. What I meant was that legal or pirated software still increases their market share. The idea is that even though they aren't getting paid, neither is their competitors, so it's really not as bad they make it sound. Yeah, I know that people who pirated their software are just as likely to pirate a competitors, but the idea should still hold true to a degree - certainly a weakness in my point, but it doesn't invalidate it.

My biggest issue with the way M$ is going about this is that they're attacking the wrong people. Sure it's easier that way, but in the end they're just pissing off a whole lot of people. Forcing companies to be so picky about who they do business with will raise their costs, which will then raise costs to the end consumers - now everyone likes M$ less, and that's not good for business either. Frankly, if M$ came to me an said, "we're suing you unless you switch to a more expensive supplier", you can be damned sure that I'll try to find a supplier that doesn't use their products at all. (And then at my annual CEO retreat in Hawaii, I'll encourage my corporate buddies to do the same, lol.)

tl;dr: M$ has every right to fight piracy, but if you go about it in a way that makes you look like gigantic douches, that's probably just as bad for business. So why not find a way that's less effective but makes you look like the good guys instead; should be better business overall, right?

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Well, they do make up the entire state's GDP (I would think).
Not really. But M$ and Boeing are huge parts of the Seattle-area's economy, and Washington's tax scheme isn't really the most business friendly, so we'll probably pass anything that will keep them local...
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This is a "nice" start to the realization that a global economy needs global enforcement. International "niceness" wont cut it in the end. If China can get ahead by sticking it to everyone else than why not? A lot of their economic practices as is just run us over.

This thing by MS might not have much of an impact in the future. But if it does it'll up the costs of production and it'll just get passed on to us if everyone follows through with it.
yes this will cost the consumers more money in the end.
    
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post #25 of 38
This is like buying food from the grocery store, but you would have to audit the grocery store to make sure they are not using pirated software on their cash register.
post #26 of 38
This seems like a good way to slow down piracy, or drive more U.S. companies overseas.
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post #27 of 38
I think this is blown out of proportion. It seems like they are shows the worst case, fullest extent of this law possible to convince people that this is a terrible thing. If this gets past I don't think MS would actually hold companies accountable, but it would make those companies in the USA make sure the companies that they deal with over seas have legit copies of MS products. That is the desired effect and what I think MS wants out of this. Not to sue USA companies that are using legit software.

This seems a bit sensational to me.
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post #28 of 38
But the thing is, MS (or whomever) can only accuse a business of using software illegally. I mean, without serving a warrant and searching computers, how can you, beyond the shadow of a doubt, actually prove that so-and-so was using a piece of pirated software to do this task that then was used to make a product that was then sold to company X, and hence prevent company X from being able to sell their product? It's all so disconnected.
    
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post #29 of 38
This is great news IMO. We need to burn those Chinese companies somehow for being lying thieves!

And as far as "Why/They'll just use other products".....um no they won't. End users might if they were forced but large corporations will not. WellsFargo has so many PCs and so many Server's it's not even funny. Changing the software for 250k+ PCs along with 1000s of servers....yea right. We use MS support so much for software & security updates and we keep track of our licenses or else they'd be screwed.

Corporate =/= Home use
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Because it's about force. It's about forcibly including people when it benefits you and forcibly excluding them when it doesn't. They will screw over open source leaving no other pathway then try to force you to pay the screw over army tax and buy it's lawyer tanks.

What microsoft understands is people want them dead. Gone. They don't want them to have their way. Now is the justice department and fbi going to force everybody to pay taxes and build prisons and use the entire resources of the country to "enforce" microsoft's will on everybody. Then it becomes like big tobacco and the department of alchahol tobacco and firearms. Which made it illegal to sell alchahol, forced everybody out of the business, set up a monopoly behind the thug agency and then opened up big alchahol, big tobacco and big firearms.

Just watch as they set up a bureau of software and then make it illegal to do something, force away all the competition and then set up monopolies behind the force arm agency. But instead of having 70 bajillion ADDED carcinogens and extra addictiveness added to your cigarettes you'll get extra spyware, no security and huge added software costs to keep the behemoth monopoly running.

Which is why when I see an ATF agent I want to draw and quarter him using cement trucks and chains. Because he's not a law enforcement agent he's a monopoly thug. People will feel the EXACT same way about software enforcement. And then just like the "The Truth.Com" when these thugs who run this "vice" do bad things all they'll do is fine them and give the money to 16 year old kids to make commercials about how much they suck. Ensuring no money or justice gets to the victims.

So let's go ahead and create this law and create whatever agency you want to create and let the bullets fly. Because if you think grandma smashing the phone system at comcast is funny wait till you see the blood that will flow at the retail stores and cable companies over this.
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