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Quote:
Originally Posted by RagingCain;13584587 
I am not sure but I think he tried a quick overclock with LN2 before adding the beastly power regulation system. So he could be refering to something he did, or something he found out.

Taken from context he simply suggests that overclocking the 590 is guaranteed to kill them.

I also played a little video gaming last night. Bad Company 2 is hard-locking my system after about 25~30 minutes. Temps under 50c.

I think I am just going to put them up for sale.

It's not the cards...

It's the driver.

I'm having relatively the same exact issue but, on my end...Basically, the game automatically tabs into a window, then when kicked back into full, has a failure and driver "recovers"...I have to re-start the whole game...Bla bla bla.

These drivers are terrible.

I'd wait for the next WHQL to make your decision, personally.
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Hi there, new member here and fellow owner of GTX590 as well :-P

I joined to ask a question about overclocking of this card, and it seems this is the place to obtain some valuable intel... i read majority of this thread, but i am still bit unsure about few things...

so i bought my GTX590 (Gainward brand, do not feel like making a photo now, hope its not a prerequisite to post here :-P) for rendering with Octane render (CUDA app) and obviously i would like to overclock it as far as possible (on stock voltage only though).

I actually already did it, i run it at 670 MHz and it can render for 3 hours, so i guess its stable. I have Multi-GPU off, as this is, how Octane likes it, so i game with one GPU only as well, but thats ok, i play SC2 and Black Ops only.

Now i am thinking about trying even more MHz, 700 and beyond, but i am quite "scared" to do it after reading those horrible stories about dead cards, is it completely safe now? Can i kill my card if i OC it too much or there is no chance (bar some really really bad luck), as OCP will at worst downclock or shut it down completely? Fellow Octane user posted on their forums screen of his Gainward GTX590 clocked to 775MHz on stock volts via Gainward OC Tool and apparently it was stable - do not know for how long though... do you think its safe for me to try it?

Other question, i have Seasonic S12-D 750W PSU, is it good enough to run the card above 700 MHz? The rest of my system is 980x @3,78 GHz stock volts, gigabyte x58a ud7 rev 1.0, 6x2GB Kingston 1333 CL9 RAM non-oced probably 1,5V, 2x Intel 80GB SSD, 1x WD Caviar Green 2TB, DVD drive obviously and 5 fans (3x Fractal design silent series and 2x Noctua NH14 at low voltage settings)...

Thanks in advance for your answers
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Originally Posted by Timmaigh!;13609722 
Hi there, new member here and fellow owner of GTX590 as well :-P

I joined to ask a question about overclocking of this card, and it seems this is the place to obtain some valuable intel... i read majority of this thread, but i am still bit unsure about few things...

so i bought my GTX590 (Gainward brand, do not feel like making a photo now, hope its not a prerequisite to post here :-P) for rendering with Octane render (CUDA app) and obviously i would like to overclock it as far as possible (on stock voltage only though).

I actually already did it, i run it at 670 MHz and it can render for 3 hours, so i guess its stable. I have Multi-GPU off, as this is, how Octane likes it, so i game with one GPU only as well, but thats ok, i play SC2 and Black Ops only.

Now i am thinking about trying even more MHz, 700 and beyond, but i am quite "scared" to do it after reading those horrible stories about dead cards, is it completely safe now? Can i kill my card if i OC it too much or there is no chance (bar some really really bad luck), as OCP will at worst downclock or shut it down completely? Fellow Octane user posted on their forums screen of his Gainward GTX590 clocked to 775MHz on stock volts via Gainward OC Tool and apparently it was stable - do not know for how long though... do you think its safe for me to try it?

Other question, i have Seasonic S12-D 750W PSU, is it good enough to run the card above 700 MHz? The rest of my system is 980x @3,78 GHz stock volts, gigabyte x58a ud7 rev 1.0, 6x2GB Kingston 1333 CL9 RAM non-oced probably 1,5V, 2x Intel 80GB SSD, 1x WD Caviar Green 2TB, DVD drive obviously and 5 fans (3x Fractal design silent series and 2x Noctua NH14 at low voltage settings)...

Thanks in advance for your answers

Welcome to OCN, click on USER CP at the top, and you can "Edit System" to put your system in your signature like we all have.

More than likely you would be good to go at overclocking (PSU wise), but as it stands to take it past 700 MHz, most people seem to need a voltage bump above 0.925v Some lucky members get it to 700 MHz, after my BIOS update, I definitely can get 700 MHz with 0.925v.

In order to be able to increase voltage you either have to use 267.84/85 driver set, or edit the BIOS. Editing the BIOS is a sure way to void warranty and it has an intermediate difficulty level. Using old drivers is fairly simple, download them and then install them. Use whatever GPU overclocking tool you like, I am a fan of MSI Afterburner, increase the voltage and clocks in small increments for stability.

Depending on Gainward's warranty and customer service is what you have to consider. EVGA is pretty much straightforward, barring BIOS editing and physical damage (i.e. dropping it), they will replace the card if it dies. There is an increased chance of killing your card yes, mostly on air / stock cooling from everything I have seen, what chance is it? I don't think its very high. I have seen one card die at stock, even that can't be proven. Is it guaranteed to kill your card? Probably not if you are cautious.

I personally don't see the point of overclocking 2x 590s because I have 4 GPUS, however using a single GTX 590, I would want a little bit more oompf out of it.

The sweet spot most people have been trying to get on their OC's is about 720~730 MHz, and under 0.963/0.975v due to an invisible OCP that you will not see except in your FPS / Benchmark scores plummeting. I hope that helps a little.
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Originally Posted by Masked;13606451 
It's not the cards...

It's the driver.

I'm having relatively the same exact issue but, on my end...Basically, the game automatically tabs into a window, then when kicked back into full, has a failure and driver "recovers"...I have to re-start the whole game...Bla bla bla.

These drivers are terrible.

I'd wait for the next WHQL to make your decision, personally.

Probably not getting rid of them, just frustrated when I get a chance to play and they don't want to work. I actually have more issues dealing with Surround than I do with a single monitor, and the switching back and forth. As of late, I am just using my 120 Hz monitor for gaming. I normally game on one monitor and be productive with 3, and playing musical chairs with the monitors going on and off, and SLI getting disabled, then re-enabled, then sometimes its just 3-GPUs instead of all 4... It just gives me a headache when I want to play for 20 minutes. As a former Software QA, I find it not only disturbing, but also insulting that they don't thoroughly test a feature set as big as Surround.

Turns out BadCompany 2 was crashing due to my Thunderbolt. So it also needs new drivers.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RagingCain;13611850 
helps a little.
Probably not getting rid of them, just frustrated when I get a chance to play and they don't want to work. I actually have more issues dealing with Surround than I do with a single monitor, and the switching back and forth. As of late, I am just using my 120 Hz monitor for gaming. I normally game on one monitor and be productive with 3, and playing musical chairs with the monitors going on and off, and SLI getting disabled, then re-enabled, then sometimes its just 3-GPUs instead of all 4... It just gives me a headache when I want to play for 20 minutes. As a former Software QA, I find it not only disturbing, but also insulting that they don't thoroughly test a feature set as big as Surround.

Turns out BadCompany 2 was crashing due to my Thunderbolt. So it also needs new drivers.

Why not just use the windows key +P and switch between single screen and surround instead of disabling surround all the time.
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To be honest, I am normally very prone to using Win7 to setup peripherals normally, but I noticed benchmark/FPS being lower when setup for Surround, and only playing on a single monitor. Even when it was set "Single Display Performance mode." I haven't tried with the latest drivers to see if it was an issue, but it was on the 267.xx drivers so I assumed its the same.
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Originally Posted by RagingCain;13611850 
Welcome to OCN, click on USER CP at the top, and you can "Edit System" to put your system in your signature like we all have.

More than likely you would be good to go at overclocking (PSU wise), but as it stands to take it past 700 MHz, most people seem to need a voltage bump above 0.925v Some lucky members get it to 700 MHz, after my BIOS update, I definitely can get 700 MHz with 0.925v.

In order to be able to increase voltage you either have to use 267.84/85 driver set, or edit the BIOS. Editing the BIOS is a sure way to void warranty and it has an intermediate difficulty level. Using old drivers is fairly simple, download them and then install them. Use whatever GPU overclocking tool you like, I am a fan of MSI Afterburner, increase the voltage and clocks in small increments for stability.

Depending on Gainward's warranty and customer service is what you have to consider. EVGA is pretty much straightforward, barring BIOS editing and physical damage (i.e. dropping it), they will replace the card if it dies. There is an increased chance of killing your card yes, mostly on air / stock cooling from everything I have seen, what chance is it? I don't think its very high. I have seen one card die at stock, even that can't be proven. Is it guaranteed to kill your card? Probably not if you are cautious.

I personally don't see the point of overclocking 2x 590s because I have 4 GPUS, however using a single GTX 590, I would want a little bit more oompf out of it.

The sweet spot most people have been trying to get on their OC's is about 720~730 MHz, and under 0.963/0.975v due to an invisible OCP that you will not see except in your FPS / Benchmark scores plummeting. I hope that helps a little.




Thank you for your response, i will take care of my sig later.

As i said, i would rather not touch the voltage and BIOS, not only because of warranty, but generally i am not that experienced with the overclocking and too many things could go wrong in this case...so if it means, i wont be able to go beyond 700 MHz, so be it. I can live with that, but i would kill myself if i killed the card.

Still this does not mean, i do not want to OC it at all, i want to do it, but eliminate the risks as much as i can. It seems that keeping voltage at stock value is the basic step :-P BTW you said 0,925, is that supposed to be stock? GPU-z says 0,912 in my case, is this the difference due to the Vdrop/vdroop like with CPUs? (i am bit more experienced with OCing those). Or am i missing something?

Yesterday for a few minutes i tried the 700 MHz clock with Octane and everything looked normal, no crash or explosion biggrin.gif so i guess it might work at least at this frequency OK and there is a performance increase. Octane states in the main window, how fast is it rendering in Megasamples, on my benchmark scene i get 5,34 on 607, 5,82 on 670 and 6,03 on 700... so it scales well so far...

i am really tempted to try up to 775 though, the guy on the Refractive Software forums did it and the Wizzard of TPU did it as well (before killing the card while overvoltaging)...
I am bit hopeful this might be my case:

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=197878

Less powerdraw = higher clocks, right? OFC under condition, the cores are cherry picked enough to be stable on default volage there...
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Ok, addendum

i tried it with Octane on 723 - 1446 - 3822 MHz for half hour and it worked! The sampling speed increased from 5,82/5,84 to 6,26 Ms/sec, hopefully the apps built-in counter does not lie :-P

Here is the proof:

gtx590_723MHz.jpg


Indeed, it can always crash after 2 hours, but i believe it would be stable. Maybe if i tried it with Furmark/3dMark11, it would crash on these settings within first minute, but i am not going to do it, as the performance within Octane is what is important to me.

The question now is, should i try even more MHz, given the 90C temps... it was 88C max on 670, so assuming it would work at 770, i suppose it could be 92C there...Maybe if i tried it with Furmark/3dMark11, it would crash on these settings as well, but i am not going to do it, as the performance within OCtane is what is important to me.

Another question, if its stable within Octane while both cores are working at 95-99percent on these 723Mhz clocks, is it granted to be stable while gaming with ONE core only? Or not at all?
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Hey can I be added? New "green team player." Had 2 5970's (acutally still have) but thought I'd make the switch...Does anyone have the driver that isn't locked down?
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Originally Posted by Timmaigh!;13619017 
Thank you for your response, i will take care of my sig later.

As i said, i would rather not touch the voltage and BIOS, not only because of warranty, but generally i am not that experienced with the overclocking and too many things could go wrong in this case...so if it means, i wont be able to go beyond 700 MHz, so be it. I can live with that, but i would kill myself if i killed the card.

Still this does not mean, i do not want to OC it at all, i want to do it, but eliminate the risks as much as i can. It seems that keeping voltage at stock value is the basic step :-P BTW you said 0,925, is that supposed to be stock? GPU-z says 0,912 in my case, is this the difference due to the Vdrop/vdroop like with CPUs? (i am bit more experienced with OCing those). Or am i missing something?

Sorry I am so selfish, I often forget their are other brands out there smile.gif, Gainward is my favorite brand but tough to get here State-side. I remember the best of the best Geforce 2s/4s were Gains and Chaintechs.

The stock voltages for EVGA are 0.925 with a core clock of 630 MHz on Core. The memory I believe is all stock with exception of what PoV or was Palit as they have an agressively clocked card.
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Yesterday for a few minutes i tried the 700 MHz clock with Octane and everything looked normal, no crash or explosion biggrin.gif so i guess it might work at least at this frequency OK and there is a performance increase. Octane states in the main window, how fast is it rendering in Megasamples, on my benchmark scene i get 5,34 on 607, 5,82 on 670 and 6,03 on 700... so it scales well so far...

i am really tempted to try up to 775 though, the guy on the Refractive Software forums did it and the Wizzard of TPU did it as well (before killing the card while overvoltaging)...

I am bit hopeful this might be my case:
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=197878

I have seen almost every dead card related to over voltage. The Power regulation system has been called into question numerous times but the truth of the matter it seems to be running stock fine, and have plenty of over-head for a bit of overclocking with stability. I achieved 830 MHz @ 1.038~1.05v stable enough for 4, maybe 5 runs of the Heaven benchmark. I am also on water so take that with a grain of salt, as every dead card I have seen has not been on water.
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Less powerdraw = higher clocks, right? OFC under condition, the cores are cherry picked enough to be stable on default volage there...

Less power draw = less power draw. A higher achieved clock ratio will produce more heat and require more power to draw upon. This being said there are many variables to consider especially the Voltage Regulation, and it may seem like you are not drawing any more power because the numbers change, it is just reaching that voltage cap of whatever it is said to. It seems a bit confusing but for example, you set it to 0.913v, it reads 0.913v, but the VRM is actually at 0.900v and will provide enough voltage to the run the GPU up to 0.913v.

You set it to 0.925v and it reads 0.925v but the VRMs might still read 0.900v because you haven't increased the draw of power through the GPU. VRMs are allowed to allow enough juice to go through up to 0.925v, however it gates the current, but it doesn't have to be 0.925v. On these newer Geforce cards though, I have noticed, if you set the value to 0.925v, it immediately gives it that current and the VRMs compensate and fluctuate to above and below the value. In essence, the gap has greatly decreased. Think of it as Load-Line Calibration in a sense, however its sometimes hard to read without a voltmeter. Our third party sensors aren't as accurate as we like to believe and many of the values we see are as off as +/- 15% on a lot of them, but for the most part they are good enough to get the job done.

That is my current understanding of how these more complicated VRMs work, and I maybe off slightly, but I think I got the general idea of how it works. Sometimes the system can provide extra performance with no added juice. Sometimes you need a nudge of extra voltage to increase the speed just a fraction, but by doing so, you are able to give yourself even more headroom to go even faster.
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Indeed, it can always crash after 2 hours, but i believe it would be stable. Maybe if i tried it with Furmark/3dMark11, it would crash on these settings within first minute, but i am not going to do it, as the performance within Octane is what is important to me.

3DMark11 is your best bet, Furmark is good for seeing max temperatures really. 3DMark11 also has another constraint on it called the PDL. The Power Draw Limit is something that appears to be a non-hardware type of throttling (slowing down) of the GPU. We worked it out that as the Power Draw increases, a limiting performance bouncing effect occurs of jumping between the core clocks you have set, and the PDL "safe" underclock which I think is 553 MHz.

It easy to think of this as an oscillating function that will diverge to a specific benchmark score, for those that want a visual, I guess a converging alternating series function would suffice.

Core @ Time: 0.00s = 775 MHz
Core @ Time: 0.15s = 553 MHz
Core @ Time: 0.30s = 775 MHz
etc, etc.

I believe the only way it can happen "without being seen" is that it is happening so fast the the GPU monitoring program isn't "polling" the change, so we are talking really fast up and down frequency changing.

We found to avoid this invisible limitation, to aim for the 725 MHz with a Max Voltage of 0.980v if at all possible, even lower to 0.968v if you have what you called a "cherry GPU."
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The question now is, should i try even more MHz, given the 90C temps... it was 88C max on 670, so assuming it would work at 770, i suppose it could be 92C there...Maybe if i tried it with Furmark/3dMark11, it would crash on these settings as well, but i am not going to do it, as the performance within OCtane is what is important to me.

Another question, if its stable within Octane while both cores are working at 95-99percent on these 723Mhz clocks, is it granted to be stable while gaming with ONE core only? Or not at all?

To be honest, the GTX 580 TJMax is I believe 105c. I wouldn't recommend keeping a GTX 580 GPU any higher than 90c to expect a decent life span 2-3 years+

For a GTX 590, I would guess that to be safe, keep it below 85c as its a more delicate flower.

Only way you know if it is gaming stable is if you test it biggrin.gif
Edited by RagingCain - 5/24/11 at 6:55pm
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