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Just want to introduce myself. I was lucky to get a free upgrade from my 580sli's to EVGA 590 Quad Sli, due to a stocking error smile.gif

I have read this thread from the very start, and will post pictures of my setup when it arrives on Tuesday as proof. From Masked's comments about mature drivers needed (choking not throttling) and Ragingcains work on editing the bios so both cores have same voltage, this has a been a goldmine of information. Wonder if anyone can clear up the following points:

1) If the second core by default has less voltage, is it running less effectively? Would flashing the bios cause the cards to increase performance even without Oc'ing any clock speeds?

2) Have the latest drivers improved scaling? Are they maturing steadily? Or is still a lot of work is needed?

3) I always use d3doverride, as I hate tearing. Providing I get a constant 60fps I m happy, i assume these cards will provide that experience at stock? Also my i980x is oc'd to 4.1ghz I assume this won't bottleneck the system? 12gig corsair 1600mhz on Rampage III extreme. I only have a single 360 radiator, but two pumps with my cards on one loop and CPU on the other. Obsidian 800d case with extra case fan.

Thanks for the input, and sorry for along first post, but as you can imagine i have been reading and researching a lot and these are some niggles. I plan on using the first bios Raging Cain posted on my EVGA 590's will that bring all voltages level, or could I just use the Afterburner work around?

TIA
Edited by Manac0r - 6/12/11 at 7:46am
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Recipe7;13842100 
Anyone with a 590 running on the latest drivers care to defend this review?

Does not seem to reliable. Shows almost 30-50% increase in fps for some titles.

http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/zotac_gtx590_sli_5760x1080_nvidia_surround_review/1

I don't know if I can defend it best to your satisfaction, but I can say I did get a 10+fps increase in my Metro 2033 bench at Very High Settings with AAA and Tesselation. On the 270 drivers it was average 48fps just like most reviews. Now, on the bench the average is 61fps-

In game my frame rates are almost always over 80fps and often into the hundreds like the review. There are a few spots where it dips all the way to 30, but it lasts maybe a second or two, before going back up into the 90's that it seems more like poor optimization.

I hope this review can be defended. Because it sure makes me feel better about only having a single 590, since I wanted to get a second one and the stock has seemed to disappear.

Either way, I am really loving my card cool.gif
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Quick Question:

I currently run a 3x 1440x900 (4320x900) surround set-up on my GTX 590 and am planning on adding a 4th "monitor" to the mix. The monitor is really a Vizio 26" LED LCD HDTV (1080p) that I would put above my surround set-up. The Vizio would obviously serve as my bedroom TV and then second as a 1080p monitor for my system. I know that the GTX 590 can run 4 monitors (at least according to EVGA's description) and was wondering if there was an easy way that I could possibly switch off if I wanted to game on the TV (1080P) or on my surround set up (4320x900)?

Thanks in advance!
post #1464 of 5154
I'm not sure I fully underdstand, but in Nvidia control panel under multiple displays, you can uncheck boxes for each display, thus you could uncheck your HDTV, and vice versa, to stop signals being sent to it You can also do this through right clicking desktop and going to display. Not sure if I m stating the obvious, but hope it helps.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arizonian;13842221 
Why, are you planning on buying a 590? Was what I meant.

I personally can't understand how the 590 (two down clocked 580's) beat the 580's in SLI? Something is a miss but I might be wrong.

I also thought the 6990 was slightly better than the 590 but I'm sure the review was done at stock clocks for both. I know over clocked the 6990 would surpass the 590 as it currently stands. I'm also optimistic that drivers will improve and allow better over clocks as Ragincain has proven with his modded BIOS. I've seen other reviews two months back that shown a pretty tight race as well. But when I posted the results we got flamed and those posts along with the culprit who came over to flame the thread got deleted.

Nay.

The 590 is only under-clocked currently because it's "locked" via drivers.

The first week of release, several of us proved that the card was capable of 750+mhz with a MAX voltage of 1.05v (1.02v for safety).

With the cards OC'd to that point and original drivers...The 590 out performed the 6990.

That being said, the 6990 CAN OC to a higher stable 900+mhz so, eventually the 6990 does beat out the 590 but, game-wise, the 590 actually has a better response than the 6990's.

I can attest to this.

Right now, I'm running 2x6990's ~ I find the drivers to be...appauling to say the least and scaling is absolutely terrible.

Although I'm finding some serious errors VIA my 590's at the moment, I have faith that custom fixes and/or Nvidia will eventually address them.

Also, don't post your findings "in the wild", here works just fine...Unfortunately the majority of OCN Is very close minded and childish...It's not worth the argument with someone who can't rightly grasp the concepts at hand.
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275.33 kingpin uses a 1.2v voltage so there is a solution
the recent driver possesses a flange that OCP limit the voltage increase
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Originally Posted by Masked;13853724 
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Right now, I'm running 2x6990's ~ I find the drivers to be...appauling to say the least and scaling is absolutely terrible.

[snip]

Also, don't post your findings "in the wild", here works just fine...Unfortunately the majority of OCN Is very close minded and childish...It's not worth the argument with someone who can't rightly grasp the concepts at hand.

NVIDIA drivers are half the reason why I switched to green after a 3870x2, 4870x2 and a 5970. I got sick and tired of Catalysts. I wanted to get a console-like ease-of-use when I play my games. i.e. Install a set of drivers, launch game and it runs without hitch. Particularly my OLD games as I still play them quite a bit (Have a large Steam and gog.com library) The other half was the noise (I'm not going to watercool unless it's as easy as H70 type arrangement) I upgrade far too often to have to worry about waterblocks and disconnecting loops and stuff every 6 - 12 months.

Re those people who harp on about how Tri Fire costing the same as 580 SLi @ 1000 bucks bla bla. If I had a dollar for each of those posts I'd be rocking 4x 3GB 580's by now.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by exlink;13851011 
Quick Question:

I currently run a 3x 1440x900 (4320x900) surround set-up on my GTX 590 and am planning on adding a 4th "monitor" to the mix. The monitor is really a Vizio 26" LED LCD HDTV (1080p) that I would put above my surround set-up. The Vizio would obviously serve as my bedroom TV and then second as a 1080p monitor for my system. I know that the GTX 590 can run 4 monitors (at least according to EVGA's description) and was wondering if there was an easy way that I could possibly switch off if I wanted to game on the TV (1080P) or on my surround set up (4320x900)?

Thanks in advance!

I use an HDMI connection for my Sony Bravia 32EX500. It's set as the default #1 display. Normally the HDMI is not connected and I use my U2711 or AW2310. When I want to watch Blu-Rays on the EX500 (in another room) all I have to do is connect the HDMI and it automatically switches to the EX500 as the main display. I don't have to pull up NVIDIA Control Panel or Win 7 Screen Resolution to switch displays. When I am done watching movies I unplug the HDMI and it automatically switches back to the computer monitor.
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I would like to get some opinions from the GTX590 crowd, if you would be so kind as to give me a moment of your time. I am truly undecided as to what to do.

What to do, your thoughts?? Two GTX590 or not two GTX590...
   
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If you care about Bench scores then maybe go with the 6990's.

If you care about Performance and Image Quality, then you want to stick with the 590's..

Personally, I'm a gamer so I care more about Performance and Image Quality...

If you check Guru3D.com's reviews of the GTX 590 and similar cards, you'll see a tiny blurb where they mention that ATI/AMD employs optimizations in their drivers purposely to inflate bench scores at the cost of image quality.

Combined with the fact that ATI/AMD's drivers are not often very reliable or stable, then the choice gets even easier.

If you care about having a huge E-Peen and random numbers and bar graphs, then you are going to feel disappointment with the 590's compared to the 6990's.

But - I guarantee that if you put a rig with a 590 in it next to a rig with a 6990, same game, same monitor, same image - the image on the 590 will be significantly superior with much more stable drivers.

Also RagingCain is working with EVGA on new bios that will allow more OC headroom. And the new 275 drivers improved my Metro 2033 bench scores by 10fps+ upping it into 61fps.

Me? I'm all for overclocking when it brings needed performance in a game. But I don't need to OC at all with my 590. And I only have one! Personally, I am still considering adding another. But it also would require a new PSU and I'm dreading that switchout and having to redo all my cable management. Especially, if I'm not sure if I need that much for a single display like I'm rocking right now.

One thing I love about the card not really needing to be OC'd or being limited in it, is that I don't spend my few precious hours of free time running benches - but rather playing games. Which is why I'm into rigs in the first place.

If you check the Guru3D reviews, you'll see the AMD bench optimizations at the expense of image quality mentioned. Nvidia wants more exposure on this. Many sites won't, for fear of pissing off AMD/ATI and being banned from getting Hardware to test.

But it is there and it is real. AMD/ATI makes good products. I use their 5870m in my Asus ROG G73JH-A1. But my experience with their drivers from that card is what made me choose the 590 over the 6990. That and the noise factor. I have an awesome 7.1 surround system in my home. I don't need to waste it by having it be drowned out by a huge fan blower just for an extra 2-12fps.

If you care about Bench numbers over image, go with: 6990

If you care about image quality and stability and noise, go with: 590

I hope that helps you with what is definitely a tough decision, or as I like to think of it a "good" problem.

Cheers!
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