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I am highly considering getting one, or two, GTX 590 cards. I want to water-cool them for sure and wanted to know what your opinions were regarding with EVGA's Hydro Coper versions, or with a different water-block. If different, which card and water-blocks would you recommend?

I play on one 30" monitor with a resolution of 2560x1600. I also have a smaller monitor on the side that I use to monitor temps and voice comma while gaming.

What kind if performance increase would I see with one card, or two cards, compared to my current GTX 465?

I also work in photography (Photoshop, Lightroom, etc.) and I want to know if I would have any compatibility issues, or should things work just like they do know, albeit with better performance?
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should be getting my hydro copper today so I will let you know my personal experience. I'm most interested personally in whether or not I need to flash the other bios or not? Also if EVGA comes out with a rev2 with more memory/better VRMs will it be available for stepup/RMA if I just bought this card?
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Originally Posted by Robitussin;13879311 
should be getting my hydro copper today so I will let you know my personal experience. I'm most interested personally in whether or not I need to flash the other bios or not? Also if EVGA comes out with a rev2 with more memory/better VRMs will it be available for stepup/RMA if I just bought this card?

There is no revision 2 nor will you be able to step-up if they had one, but they may RMA you different version if you demand it, or they run out of old stock.

If you want to be 100% error free you should flash a 925v bios to GPU0 and GPU1. Some peoples GPUs are running "fine". Although if they did the level of game testing and BOINC usage I did, they may find a crash/error or two.) So they aren't really fine but its good enough.
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Originally Posted by Jobotoo;13872568 
I am highly considering getting one, or two, GTX 590 cards. I want to water-cool them for sure and wanted to know what your opinions were regarding with EVGA's Hydro Coper versions, or with a different water-block. If different, which card and water-blocks would you recommend?

I play on one 30" monitor with a resolution of 2560x1600. I also have a smaller monitor on the side that I use to monitor temps and voice comma while gaming.

What kind if performance increase would I see with one card, or two cards, compared to my current GTX 465?

I also work in photography (Photoshop, Lightroom, etc.) and I want to know if I would have any compatibility issues, or should things work just like they do know, albeit with better performance?

Very high performance difference over a single 465. In the magnitude of 100~150% increase in FPS.

The HydroCopper block made by Swiftech is very restrictive in flow rate, but it really does keep the GPUs cooler. As far as I know, Swiftech is a little on the low end of quality block wise, but it gets the job done. I just don't know if they sell them separately. EK Blocks that use Nickel are currently in halted-production state due to a manufacturing process of plated nickel reacting with Distilled Water, Kill Coil, and CopperSulfate (biocides.) EK is offering the chance to get a full replacement on their products from now till the end of June, and I think I have to sign up for both my EK Supreme and EVGA E770 Water Block. I have had good results with DangerDen, they made an excellent GTX 580 block. The 590/6990 block I am told looks like a male genitalia, so that would throw me off a little (6990 block especially). The aquacomputer brand, there is a member here with that block, you should go through the thread and look for his post and PM him as I believe he is the only one here with the AquaFX 590 block. That would leave two more brands: Heatkiller and Koolance. The Koolance one looks great, but I have no experience with their brand. So that leaves HeatKiller which its GPU block is extremely high quality, and looks like serious business, and one of our members has it.

No issues with Photoshop CS5.1 Extended by me but thats with the modded BIOS, and I don't use Lightroom, but you can Fold / BOINC with no problem, so the CUDA enriched applications should be just fine.
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Originally Posted by RagingCain;13879681 
No issues with Photoshop CS5.1 Extended by me but thats with the modded BIOS, and I don't use Lightroom, but you can Fold / BOINC with no problem, so the CUDA enriched applications should be just fine.

Lightroom runs well but, there are some issues with occasional "glitching".

Alatar, could we please get Cain's modified Bios on the front page considering it's "proven" at this point that it works -- Might as well include a guide about how to flash GPU's as well.

Unfortunately, the mentality of most OCN users seems to be: 'Read the first page and nothing else, TLDR' ~ So, we might as well make it easier for them.
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Originally Posted by Shinobi Jedi;13872166 
If you care about Bench scores then maybe go with the 6990's.

If you care about Performance and Image Quality, then you want to stick with the 590's..

Personally, I'm a gamer so I care more about Performance and Image Quality...

If you check Guru3D.com's reviews of the GTX 590 and similar cards, you'll see a tiny blurb where they mention that ATI/AMD employs optimizations in their drivers purposely to inflate bench scores at the cost of image quality.

Combined with the fact that ATI/AMD's drivers are not often very reliable or stable, then the choice gets even easier.

If you care about having a huge E-Peen and random numbers and bar graphs, then you are going to feel disappointment with the 590's compared to the 6990's.

But - I guarantee that if you put a rig with a 590 in it next to a rig with a 6990, same game, same monitor, same image - the image on the 590 will be significantly superior with much more stable drivers.

Also RagingCain is working with EVGA on new bios that will allow more OC headroom. And the new 275 drivers improved my Metro 2033 bench scores by 10fps+ upping it into 61fps.

Me? I'm all for overclocking when it brings needed performance in a game. But I don't need to OC at all with my 590. And I only have one! Personally, I am still considering adding another. But it also would require a new PSU and I'm dreading that switchout and having to redo all my cable management. Especially, if I'm not sure if I need that much for a single display like I'm rocking right now.

One thing I love about the card not really needing to be OC'd or being limited in it, is that I don't spend my few precious hours of free time running benches - but rather playing games. Which is why I'm into rigs in the first place.

If you check the Guru3D reviews, you'll see the AMD bench optimizations at the expense of image quality mentioned. Nvidia wants more exposure on this. Many sites won't, for fear of pissing off AMD/ATI and being banned from getting Hardware to test.

But it is there and it is real. AMD/ATI makes good products. I use their 5870m in my Asus ROG G73JH-A1. But my experience with their drivers from that card is what made me choose the 590 over the 6990. That and the noise factor. I have an awesome 7.1 surround system in my home. I don't need to waste it by having it be drowned out by a huge fan blower just for an extra 2-12fps.

If you care about Bench numbers over image, go with: 6990

If you care about image quality and stability and noise, go with: 590

I hope that helps you with what is definitely a tough decision, or as I like to think of it a "good" problem.

Cheers!

Thanks for the input!! + Rep for the time and effort!!
   
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Was wondering if i would get a good performance increase going from 2x msi cyclone 460s 1gbs to a evga gtx590 classified card thanks
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I am highly considering getting one, or two, GTX 590 cards. I want to water-cool them for sure and wanted to know what your opinions were regarding with EVGA's Hydro Coper versions, or with a different water-block. If different, which card and water-blocks would you recommend?

I play on one 30" monitor with a resolution of 2560x1600. I also have a smaller monitor on the side that I use to monitor temps and voice comma while gaming.

What kind if performance increase would I see with one card, or two cards, compared to my current GTX 465?

I also work in photography (Photoshop, Lightroom, etc.) and I want to know if I would have any compatibility issues, or should things work just like they do know, albeit with better performance?

Well I went from 580 Sli, to a 590 Quad. I haven't played with voltage, but with a slight overclock these two cards handle anything you throw at them. I'm a gooning gamer. Benchmarks are not my thing. These cards run so much quieter and cooler than my 580's. The performance is great. I have a Dual monitor setup like you, I use d3doverider to maintian 60fps. At high res, on a single monitor quad sli is amazing. Battlefied 2, STALKER CoP, Witcher 2 ( slightly stuttery, but mature drivers will iron this out). Personally, 2 of these cards is the way to go. While waiting for them to arrive I read all the posts, etc and was slightly worried. Nvidia have pulled out a card that performs, but is quiet and cool. For 60fps they are impressive. Double up as my pappy used to say. Quad Sli for sure.
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Originally Posted by RagingCain;13879681 
There is no revision 2 nor will you be able to step-up if they had one, but they may RMA you different version if you demand it, or they run out of old stock.

If you want to be 100% error free you should flash a 925v bios to GPU0 and GPU1. Some peoples GPUs are running "fine". Although if they did the level of game testing and BOINC usage I did, they may find a crash/error or two.) So they aren't really fine but its good enough.



Very high performance difference over a single 465. In the magnitude of 100~150% increase in FPS.

The HydroCopper block made by Swiftech is very restrictive in flow rate, but it really does keep the GPUs cooler. As far as I know, Swiftech is a little on the low end of quality block wise, but it gets the job done. I just don't know if they sell them separately. EK Blocks that use Nickel are currently in halted-production state due to a manufacturing process of plated nickel reacting with Distilled Water, Kill Coil, and CopperSulfate (biocides.) EK is offering the chance to get a full replacement on their products from now till the end of June, and I think I have to sign up for both my EK Supreme and EVGA E770 Water Block. I have had good results with DangerDen, they made an excellent GTX 580 block. The 590/6990 block I am told looks like a male genitalia, so that would throw me off a little (6990 block especially). The aquacomputer brand, there is a member here with that block, you should go through the thread and look for his post and PM him as I believe he is the only one here with the AquaFX 590 block. That would leave two more brands: Heatkiller and Koolance. The Koolance one looks great, but I have no experience with their brand. So that leaves HeatKiller which its GPU block is extremely high quality, and looks like serious business, and one of our members has it.

No issues with Photoshop CS5.1 Extended by me but thats with the modded BIOS, and I don't use Lightroom, but you can Fold / BOINC with no problem, so the CUDA enriched applications should be just fine.

The block I use is the XSPC Razor GTX590. Only 100$, looks good, thin profile and easy to install with pre cut pads. Not very restrictive but temps are only 2-3C higher than EK. I am very pleased with this reasonably priced block.
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what's up peeps, I haven't checked this thread in a while.

has there been any recent developments with the 590, positive / negative?

I see the Egg has a few in stock.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=gtx+590&x=0&y=0

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinobi Jedi;13872166 
If you care about Bench scores then maybe go with the 6990's.

If you care about Performance and Image Quality, then you want to stick with the 590's..

Personally, I'm a gamer so I care more about Performance and Image Quality...

If you check Guru3D.com's reviews of the GTX 590 and similar cards, you'll see a tiny blurb where they mention that ATI/AMD employs optimizations in their drivers purposely to inflate bench scores at the cost of image quality.

Combined with the fact that ATI/AMD's drivers are not often very reliable or stable, then the choice gets even easier.

I mentioned this before, and an OCN Mod basically made fun of me and deleted my post.

I always wondered if AMD fixed that.
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what's up peeps, I haven't checked this thread in a while.

has there been any recent developments with the 590, positive / negative?

I see the Egg has a few in stock.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=gtx+590&x=0&y=0




I mentioned this before, and an OCN Mod basically made fun of me and deleted my post.

I always wondered if AMD fixed that.

Use end improvements, yes...Nvidia end improvements aren't something I'd hold my breath for.

The 6990's do overcompensate during benches, they always have...And IMO there is a sacrifice in quality as well 'for the score'.
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