Originally Posted by RagingCain
Hey guys, I just wanted to drop in and mention that there is a huge difference between a TV and PC monitor interms of input latency you boys know that right? The difference is night a day.
Secondly, if you are going with a 120 Hz monitor (not a TV monitor!), try and get the ASUS, I have a Acer 120 Hz monitor that is 23.6", and the ASUS is much superior in terms of color saturation and actual response time. Mine is indeed beautiful, but the ASUS looks more natural, better brightness, where as the Acer is fairly bright, but slightly cartoonish in colors. Really red Reds, really blue Blues, and faded colors in between.
I have to disagree about the Asus, RagingCain. I went through two of them and they both had dead pixels right out of the box. And the Fry's store had three more open box returns due to the same issue. I like Asus a lot as a company. I love my G73JH-A1 ROG Notebook. But according to the Fry's guys (who are by no means experts) and their experience with returns, Asus makes awesome notebooks and mobo's but the QC at their display division is lacking, I guess.
As I've said on here before, I really, really love my BenQ XL2410T. I was hesitant about it, due to a lack of online reviews, and a run of complaints about light bleed. But mine has no light bleed whatsoever. And after researching the web, I found that the light bleed problem was fixed with a firmware update, and when I checked mine in the service menu it was running the same firmware update.
Admittedly, the PQ is pretty bad out of the box. But whether you do a true ISF/Spyder calibration yourself, or do what I did, and get an ICC profile from tftreview, and once calibrated and/or profile applied, the PQ has some of the deepest blacks I've ever seen on an LCD. PQ at the sRGB setting with calibration hits 6500K almost on the dot and greyscale is great.
I'm usually not a fan of matte/AG screens as I usually like bright colors that pop off the screen like on a Glossy. Hence initially going with Asus as their panel is a glossy screen.
But then I found out Glossy isn't good for 3D Surround gaming as you'll have images from one screen reflecting off another and it screws up the 3D, that talked me into trying the BenQ with the AG. But regardless, I have to say this is the best AG job I've ever seen. No window/screen door effect. Colors are still bright. Picture is not distorted. I am very pleased with the matte job.
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As for going from 60" to 24" 120hz/Full HD is it worth it?
Hell Yes! RagingCain explained it perfectly. FPS are so buttery smooth. This is why I'm trying to still get a second 590. Because I know 2 590's Quad SLI on BFBC2, and ideally BF3, scales well, and puts the game at an average of over 200fps on one 1080p/120hz panel. I'm sure it won't be constant, but I like to think with figures like that, I could get a solid 120fps Vsync. Though I've yet to see any picture tearing anyways.
But you know what really tips the favor to the 24" over my 60"?
I bought the glasses on a lark, really getting the panel for the 120hz/fps goodness. But when I tried it - DAAAYYYUM! I'm a filmmaker who loves tech but hasn't really gotten a hard on for 3D in cinemas yet. Not when shot with the cameras, or done in post. But 3D Gaming? Wow. Totally a new experience. Crazy immersion. I think the difference that makes it better than movies is the simple fact of having the viewer also be the player and interacting with what's on the screen. Moving around a concrete wall in 3D just "feels" different even though the input is the same. The depth of field can help with play too. Especially with long distance fire fights.
There is definitely some light Ghosting on this BenQ during some 3D. Often it can be adjusted through contrast or the IR emitter to almost nothing. But knowing that Ghosting on 3D Games is more due to the nature of the Nvidia/Shutter Glasses technology than the display and just a nature of the beast, makes it easier to ignore when playing - whereas a dead or stuck pixel draws my attention and drives me crazy no matter what.
Also, 24" isn't that small. Is it 60"? No. But I'm 37 and can still remember my days as a kid when the average CRT television set size was 19" and it was normal to view a screen that small from as far away as 10' back.
And you know what? I tried watching some Tron 3D and Avatar 3D from my couch which is 11' back from the display and my normal viewing distance for my 60" Kuro. And not only was the screen plenty big to get and stay lost in the movie, but in a way, the 3D looked better, or more distinct, because the frame of the monitor/picture is in your field of view to do exactly that - frame the image, which lets you take in the whole image, and in doing so - get a better sense of the depth of field in the image.
The BenQ XL2410T runs $389 in US currency. And is a little more expensive than the Asus or Acer as it's an LED monitor. I want to get three, and will eventually, but am living with just one for the time being due to oft mentioned spacing issues. And I'm plenty satisfied with just one for right now. Maybe that's what you should do? Just get one for now and see how you like it?
As of now, it seems that if you want to do 1080p 3D gaming, your only option is Nvidia's 3D Vision, and in effect one of these 24" panels. Unless you want to spend a few grand on a compatible DLP HDTV which so far is only made by Mitsubishi. And while DLP might be great for 3D, it's not great for normal HD content as it has very limited viewing angles.
So knowing that, until they come forth with a 27-30" 1080p/120hz panel- (Acer had a limited release of one that was snapped up quick and seems to be unavailable now. I guess due to the Tsunami/Earthquake disaster)
Or until they can make an IPS 2560x1600 panel do 120hz Full HD/3D -
And therefore one's selection is limited to these 24" panels if they want to buy now - I can't recommend the BenQ XL2410T enough. It will look like a$$ picture wise out of the box. But a true calibration, or getting a calibration ICC profile online will yield one of the best pictures I've ever seen on any LCD panel. I will definitely at some point be buying two more, unless before then better tech is released at a competitive price.
I give it, and 24" Full HD and 3D gaming my highest recommendation.
And with owning both, if you ever miss the big screen, it just means a switch of cables in the back, right?
Hope this helps!
Cheers!Edited by Shinobi Jedi - 7/9/11 at 10:49pm