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That's because you have 4 GPU's. Metro 2033 utilizes only one of them, and is horrible at utilizing GPU's. No game is surpassing it, they're doing a horrible job of utilizing it.
Well you are wrong there. It uses all 4. Its just not optimized.



Metro2033 is one example. Witcher 2 with all its eyecandy, AA, and Ubersampling, is another one that can kill framerates. This is all at 1920x1080. I can't imagine our cards running these same titles with max settings at 2560x1600 very well. F1 2010 is another such title, that benefits greatly 4x580s. Something 2x590s don't match up to unfortunately.

Of course that is if you need more 60 fps, like I do.
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How many displays do you have?

Secondly, you want a Dual Link DVI cable going to DVI to the 120 Hz monitor, or you are not getting 120 Hz. I believe 120 Hz, can not be done with an adapter at either end as far as I know. Consider moving one of your other monitors off a DVI port.

Thirdly, I don't know what you need a powersupply with USB for, they are just Video Cables.... no need to power anything. Just plug a normal DVI Dual Link cable, into the 120 Hz monitor. You might want to link whatever it is you think you need before buying it. The monitor if bought new should come with one. Radioshack sells them in store about 29.99$ which isn't terrible when you take into consideration shipping and waiting by mail for a cable.
What you said about adding an adapter in the mix not allowing 120Hz may have made this whole post moot but i'll just clarify so that we are on the same page. If your reply is the same that it won't give me full functionality then you'll have helped me all the same.
First I am sorry, I guess I didn't describe my issue clearly enough so I think you misunderstood what I meant in some aspects. I have 3 displays now and I'd like to have the option to use the display port on the GTX 590. I have my television using one DVI port, one Acer GDZ235HZ on another DVI port, another GDZ235HZ on the last DVI port...But I occasionally I cap videos using my set top box using one of the DVI ports on the 590, I could use the 1394 but lets not get into that, the issue is trying to make use of the mini display port that I have on GTX 590 with one of the Acer monitors and have the 120Hz that this monitor was bought for. Yes you are thinking why not use the adapter with the set top box but lets just keep that for last...Anyways, This wasn't an issue when I had two GPUs previously as I had four DVI ports but I have just three now. So back to my problem:

The monitor I want to use comes with the DVI-D, HDMI and D-Sub cables and has the corresponding ports. So yes I know I have to use the DVI to get the 120Hz as that is in the manual. That is my problem since that I have only the mini display port on the GTX 590 available and no display port on the monitor I need an adapter to use the DVI cable from the monitor to a mini display port. The eVGA box for the GTX 590 comes with a standard display port to mini display port adapter which is great if I had a monitor with a display port on it like I do at work. But it only has the three that I listed above (HDMI,VGA,DVI). So I did a search for what sort of adapters they have as I have a ton of DVI cables laying around from the various computers I've built for client jobs (that i've grabbed since they weren't being used) and personal use. Therefore I have the cables I need that isn't an issue. The issue is back to using the mini display port on the Video Card. I know you mentioned that you can't use 120Hz with an adapter but lets just continue and we'll go from the end of the post:

So my question is this. Here is what I've found that is available.

We have the Single Link DVI to mini display adapter HERE Which is a great price

And all the Dual Link Adapters have an additonal USB plug for power like this one: HERE

Which I agree is weird as video cables to require power on their own...what the hell right? SO to my original post. I can't find any adapters that use dual link DVI that aren't less than $90 which is a little more than I'd like to spend for an adapter. Some include audio some don't. I don't care about audio capabilities. I'm just wondering can I use the Single Link DVI to mini display adapter and still get the full functionality that a Dual Link DVI to mini display adapter gives? I assume not as "display", DVI and HDMI cables are essentially the same thing with added a capabilities like audio. So back to the adapters, what can I do to use the mini display port with the monitor in question... is there some other option out there? I see there are converters like these: [url=http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5004614&CatId=466] HERE [/ur] where I'd need a mini display cable. Which is no problem as I have tons of those in the server room where I work as we deal with Apple laptops for our multimedia department employees so they always use those display ports on everything. But yet the price for one of those converters is not any different and again they need power. So that's where I'm getting the power from.

I appreciate your reply before and I apologize I didn't clarify a little more I had been out all night Friday and was on a serious lack of sleep when I typed my question out on my phone. Thanks as always ahead of time as you guys are always great with your help.

I do apologize too for this novel of a post and for interrupting any ongoing conversations with this behemoth.
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What you said about adding an adapter in the mix not allowing 120Hz may have made this whole post moot but i'll just clarify so that we are on the same page. If your reply is the same that it won't give me full functionality then you'll have helped me all the same.
First I am sorry, I guess I didn't describe my issue clearly enough so I think you misunderstood what I meant in some aspects. I have 3 displays now and I'd like to have the option to use the display port on the GTX 590. I have my television using one DVI port, one Acer GDZ235HZ on another DVI port, another GDZ235HZ on the last DVI port...But I occasionally I cap videos using my set top box using one of the DVI ports on the 590, I could use the 1394 but lets not get into that, the issue is trying to make use of the mini display port that I have on GTX 590 with one of the Acer monitors and have the 120Hz that this monitor was bought for. Yes you are thinking why not use the adapter with the set top box but lets just keep that for last...Anyways, This wasn't an issue when I had two GPUs previously as I had four DVI ports but I have just three now. So back to my problem:

The monitor I want to use comes with the DVI-D, HDMI and D-Sub cables and has the corresponding ports. So yes I know I have to use the DVI to get the 120Hz as that is in the manual. That is my problem since that I have only the mini display port on the GTX 590 available and no display port on the monitor I need an adapter to use the DVI cable from the monitor to a mini display port. The eVGA box for the GTX 590 comes with a standard display port to mini display port adapter which is great if I had a monitor with a display port on it like I do at work. But it only has the three that I listed above (HDMI,VGA,DVI). So I did a search for what sort of adapters they have as I have a ton of DVI cables laying around from the various computers I've built for client jobs (that i've grabbed since they weren't being used) and personal use. Therefore I have the cables I need that isn't an issue. The issue is back to using the mini display port on the Video Card. I know you mentioned that you can't use 120Hz with an adapter but lets just continue and we'll go from the end of the post:

So my question is this. Here is what I've found that is available.

We have the Single Link DVI to mini display adapter HERE Which is a great price

And all the Dual Link Adapters have an additonal USB plug for power like this one: HERE

Which I agree is weird as video cables to require power on their own...what the hell right? SO to my original post. I can't find any adapters that use dual link DVI that aren't less than $90 which is a little more than I'd like to spend for an adapter. Some include audio some don't. I don't care about audio capabilities. I'm just wondering can I use the Single Link DVI to mini display adapter and still get the full functionality that a Dual Link DVI to mini display adapter gives? I assume not as "display", DVI and HDMI cables are essentially the same thing with added a capabilities like audio. So back to the adapters, what can I do to use the mini display port with the monitor in question... is there some other option out there? I see there are converters like these: [url=http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5004614&CatId=466] HERE [/ur] where I'd need a mini display cable. Which is no problem as I have tons of those in the server room where I work as we deal with Apple laptops for our multimedia department employees so they always use those display ports on everything. But yet the price for one of those converters is not any different and again they need power. So that's where I'm getting the power from.

I appreciate your reply before and I apologize I didn't clarify a little more I had been out all night Friday and was on a serious lack of sleep when I typed my question out on my phone. Thanks as always ahead of time as you guys are always great with your help.

I do apologize too for this novel of a post and for interrupting any ongoing conversations with this behemoth.
That sure was a mouth full.

Here is the thing. nVidia says two things:
A single 590 supports 2D Surround.
A single 590 supports 3D Surround.
590 Product Page

But if you look up 3D Surround, like a ninja, nVidia says it requires DVI Ports (3 no less) for 3D LCD Monitors.
3D Tech Source

A 590 supports 3x DVI, 1x Mini DP port.

So I looked up the specs of this DP Port, just to see what its all about capable of:


Okay so you could use a mini-DP out to HDMI1.4a which supposedly supports 3D tech, however only in film and some games like PS3. The reason for that is the frame rate is capped around 30 (24~27 for movies) and thus its maximum output is 60 Hz. Besides, the Acer doesn't have HDMI in I believe.

However, there is other information to take note of, especially in Quad-SLI, and or running 3D Surround. The full PDF is located here: PDF

With all of that said, the thing to take away from here is this: the DP port only broadcasts at 60 Hz. Whatever this strange adapter does to create the extra frequency, I can't imagine it would be good for gaming (input lag). The other thing to consider is that nVidia drivers might simply not let you activate 3D tech unless all 3 DVI ports have connection to monitors. Surround and 3D Surround options don't even appear for you to select if there is no monitor. I understand you want to have YOUR setup YOUR way, and I hate bursting bubbles, I just don't see how it would work. Unless...

Have you considered running your box top with a second GPU, something cheap in the 2xx range?

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Here's the ports on the monitor that is in my sig:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...028&CatId=4420

Tiger Direct has a better summary than the Acer page tbh.

See this is why I post here, thanks so much man. Your post is thorough enough to have answered all the questions I had and then some. I really am impressed.

That was one of the things I just automatically assumed. It comes with the HDMI on this Acer monitor and I figured it was 120Hz capable via HDMI as well as the DVI....hooked the HDMI first to the 590...damn thing wouldn't run in 120Hz. Found in bold letters via the online manual that 120 Hz can only be obtained when using a Dual-Link DVI cable to the DVI port of the monitor. So even if I went DP to HDMI i'd be stuck with the 60 Hz and if I was just going to do that I wouldn't have bought the 120 Hz monitor. So that's out.

Anyways, back to your reply. You are indeed a ninja and have found what I been looking for: the capabilities of that DP on the 590. That answers my question on how to proceed. I have a HD-PVR that I'll start using primarily instead of messing with adapters and the like. I mainly game with the 590 and I been using it for capping less and less...and using the PVR more and more to cap which saves times on encoding and everything else that is involved.

Have you ever tried the display port on the 590? Has anyone? Is there any benefit to it? I can honestly say outside of the Apple Laptops I see at work that use them I've not seen it working on any discrete video cards. I was looking at an Acer Monitor that had a display port and was half tempted to get it but the 120 Hz sold me for the 3D and all that. My TV is the same and it is great to have it makes a huge difference if setup properly. There are some great AVISynth scripts that can really utilize the 120Hz to it's fullest to where it looks absolutely incredible for HD sports and action movies.

I agree this adapters are something new that I have not seen in action, that is the main reason I am apprehensive about buying one. They are the first I've seen that require power like this in a very long time. I think i'll stick with what I have. I have a pair of GTX 275s that are almost brand new that I been trying to sell together for $250 on eBay and have had no takers maybe i'll pop one of those in if need be down the line as it seems I'm stuck with them.

Thanks again buddy. REP
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Installing 270.27 drivers, anyone had any issues with them?
I assume you mean 285.27? If so these drivers have been great. Since 280 came out there have been some issues that have cropped up for me with HD playback over multiple displays @ 120Hz and Dawn of War 2 GPU crashes due to the driver and some other performance issues. Let alone the benchmarking of these drivers far surpass any drivers i've benched with this card. Though that's not necessarily applicable to real gaming and app performance I was unexpectedly surprised. They also increased performance on Space Marine which I been playing. I got a ton of games on my PC and haven't tried them all by any means but the games I have I have been really happy with.
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Have you ever tried the display port on the 590? Has anyone? Is there any benefit to it?
I use the DP to hook up my Dell U3011, however it's only a 60Hz monitor so it isn't of much consequence if I used that, or a Dual Link DVI cable on the thing. Though I have noticed that when I completely power off the monitor and turn it back on, all my apps windows have been shrunken into the top left corner of the screen as if the resolution drops to 800x600 while its off. DVI never did this. Anyways, I just use the DP now for 2 reasons. 1. Cable is thinner and more flexible, 2. Plugging and unplugging is a breeze.

Some Video cards like the latest in the Radeon series also allow more than one display to be powered off the one display port as per the latest DP version. Doubt though you could do more than 1 1600p monitor on the thing.
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Here's the ports on the monitor that is in my sig:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...028&CatId=4420

Tiger Direct has a better summary than the Acer page tbh.

See this is why I post here, thanks so much man. Your post is thorough enough to have answered all the questions I had and then some. I really am impressed.

That was one of the things I just automatically assumed. It comes with the HDMI on this Acer monitor and I figured it was 120Hz capable via HDMI as well as the DVI....hooked the HDMI first to the 590...damn thing wouldn't run in 120Hz. Found in bold letters via the online manual that 120 Hz can only be obtained when using a Dual-Link DVI cable to the DVI port of the monitor. So even if I went DP to HDMI i'd be stuck with the 60 Hz and if I was just going to do that I wouldn't have bought the 120 Hz monitor. So that's out.

Anyways, back to your reply. You are indeed a ninja and have found what I been looking for: the capabilities of that DP on the 590. That answers my question on how to proceed. I have a HD-PVR that I'll start using primarily instead of messing with adapters and the like. I mainly game with the 590 and I been using it for capping less and less...and using the PVR more and more to cap which saves times on encoding and everything else that is involved.

Have you ever tried the display port on the 590? Has anyone? Is there any benefit to it? I can honestly say outside of the Apple Laptops I see at work that use them I've not seen it working on any discrete video cards. I was looking at an Acer Monitor that had a display port and was half tempted to get it but the 120 Hz sold me for the 3D and all that. My TV is the same and it is great to have it makes a huge difference if setup properly. There are some great AVISynth scripts that can really utilize the 120Hz to it's fullest to where it looks absolutely incredible for HD sports and action movies.

I agree this adapters are something new that I have not seen in action, that is the main reason I am apprehensive about buying one. They are the first I've seen that require power like this in a very long time. I think i'll stick with what I have. I have a pair of GTX 275s that are almost brand new that I been trying to sell together for $250 on eBay and have had no takers maybe i'll pop one of those in if need be down the line as it seems I'm stuck with them.

Thanks again buddy. REP
Hey no problem, thats what we are here for

Never used DP, allergic to Mac products as well. I will say this, DP version 1.2 (which maybe out now) the next gen DP port has extremely impressive specs. 2560x1600@120Hz@30BPP which I can't help but drool over... then remember thats probably a 2500$ monitor... if not more when it comes out. I saw that on the wiki page about DP reading it earlier. I am like you, I will hold off on adapters to I either know how it magically works (gist of) or let someone else test it

I do have a 120Hz GD235HZ which was the first gen of these 120 Hz monitors. Probably one of the best investments for gaming I have ever had. If you have a high DPI mouse and a good mouse pad and a GPU capable of locking in (optionally Vsync too) at a fluid 120 fps... its a total gaming orgasm. Call of Duty 4 was the first game I tried, and I literally took an automatic rifle (M4A1) and I could distinctly tell each individual shot/shell eject even on full squeeze. I was cutting lines with that bad boy... I have had the monitor 9 months now, haven't even tried the 3D because I was so in love with the refresh / FPS display hahaha.

If you were worried about using another card, here is a couple of other persk using that GTX 275. If you use Folding@Home or BOINC, its major bonus CUDA points for rendering cancer cures or searching for Aliens. Very handy... but probably the other convincing argument would be that it can also be a dedicated PhysX card and let the beefy 590 focus on rendering.
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Add that if you sli the GTX590 the DP does not work.... i though i got a broken card or my U2711 was faulty but now that im only using 1 card the DP works. Go figure
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I do have a 120Hz GD235HZ which was the first gen of these 120 Hz monitors.

Yah yah I had an extra letter in the sig I see your little note on needing a correction lol

But yes I love having two of these monitors and can't do without the 120 Hz now it just isn't the same anymore.
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Yah yah I had an extra letter in the sig I see your little note on needing a correction lol

But yes I love having two of these monitors and can't do without the 120 Hz now it just isn't the same anymore.
I hear you mate - I was sceptical about the difference but since moving to 120Hz I couldn't go back.
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