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I'd say it doesn't hurt to try... only a few people on these forums really have linux experience and I doubt no one here has experience of running a system with 4 brand new GPUs under linux.

E: you shouldn't be frying cards just booting and stuff, if that happens it would probably have fried itself anyways.

Tanks Alatar, I am going to try both OC!
post #252 of 5154
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Originally Posted by Juzam;12918727 
I wasn't talking about you and since you've jumped right on the topic like a carp (it's a Turkish expression), you're on your way to becoming (if you're not already) a fanboy. Gratz.

Yeah nvidia messed up really bad. (1) What is your degree in electronics, sir? I really want to read your academic reports on semiconductors.

(2) I'm playing a whole variety of games and I've never seen the GPU clock go lower than stock. So that argument is unproven.

The card (3) is perfectly operational at stock voltages and speeds so it is not flawed. You on the other hand are, since no one except me has given any attention to you (guess what your flaw is). I can't see anyone defending themselves so I don't understand your point (if there is any). If by mentioning you mean: "LAWLS TEH CARD BURNZ GET ATI PWNZOR!1!!11" yes, they are blind zealots. If anyone says "TEH XBOXZ RRODS SUX GET PS3 NOW!1!1!!11" yes, he is a PS3 fanboy, oh or didn't you know?

I get that you need to justify YOUR purchase and try to prove that you're "The Uberskilled PC God" by attacking threads and don't feel like the underachieved ignorant you are, but please, get a life. (4) Everyone that has ran into the issue screwed up at some point. That's why I mentioned what they exactly did before and during the screw-up. You're just ridiculous.

(1) What's yours?
(2) Nvidia already confirmed that the drivers are NOT letting softwares detect when the card underclocks (look for your self if you don't believe)
(3) You said all "at stock voltages AND speeds"
(4) Wait how is the name of this forum? We are at stockclock.com? Man open your eyes. The GTX590 is a great card for someone that will just "plug'n'play" for that "normal" user (stock cooling/clocks) it'll be much better than 6990 (IMHO) due to acustics, but there is no tweaking room. That's what all ATI fanboys are bragging, and believe it or not, that is TRUE. Why? proof.gif you will say. Well I'll not waste my time looking for sources, but so far the reality from what I've read is: The VRMs at 590's PCB are the GTX570 VRMs x2. People complain about the room for overclocking in the GTX570 these VRMs are great for a 570 at it's default speeds or for a 590 (1024 CUDA cores) at stock, but there is little room for tweaking. And if the card is SILENT and there is LITTLE room, or better little GAIN from OC why go water? And look around you'll find many guys showing that even when it is stable at high clocks the results don't go up according (underclocking backfiring, stealth from user knowledge). And that is typical from Nvidia when they screw up. In the other hand, 6990 has a robust design for two chips that consumes less power, the OC results are scaling very well, and when the waterblocks came around we'll se their real potential (what scares me is the possible coil wine, that would be a no go for me). Nvidia has very good products, I can even defend 580SLI vs 6990 + 6970 (trifire for $1000) in some scenarios. The 580 still Nvidia's best call IMHO. I'll not even touch the point where people get in framebuffer walls with 580s or the 590. Call me whatever you want. thumb.gif

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Edited by armartins - 3/29/11 at 12:31pm
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I can confirm myself that when the card throttles it does not lower the clock speeds.....

though on the other hand, the power management that does lower clock speed is rather aggressive as well (I really want nvidia to give me a way to turn that off)
 
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i haven't seen the card for anybody go lower than stock clocks. not sure where that rumor came from but no doubt from someone who doesn't own the card.

the ocp is flawed currently. that's the current issue. when nvidia fixes it, the card should begin to work alot better. i've seen over a handful of cards run on 1.0v and not blow up. the ocp is just downclocking them at points that is shouldn't be. wait for driver maturity and/or a possible bios flash from nvidia to fix the issue.
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Originally Posted by armartins;12919331 
(1) What's yours?
(2) Nvidia already confirmed that the drivers are NOT letting softwares detect when the card underclocks (look for your self if you don't believe)
(3) You said all "at stock voltages AND speeds"
(4) Wait how is the name of this forum? We are at stockclock.com? Man open your eyes. The GTX590 is a great card for someone that will just "plug'n'play" for that "normal" user (stock cooling/clocks) it'll be much better than 6990 (IMHO) due to acustics, but there is no tweaking room. That's what all ATI fanboys are bragging, and believe it or not, that is TRUE. Why? proof.gif you will say. Well I'll not waste my time looking for sources, but so far the reality from what I've read is: The VRMs at 590's PCB are the GTX570 VRMs x2. People complain about the room for overclocking in the GTX570 these VRMs are great for a 570 at it's default speeds or for a 590 (1024 CUDA cores) at stock, but there is little room for tweaking. And if the card is SILENT and there is LITTLE room, or better little GAIN from OC why go water? And look around you'll find many guys showing that even when it is stable at high clocks the results don't go up according (underclocking backfiring, stealth from user knowledge). And that is typical from Nvidia when they screw up. In the other hand, 6990 has a robust design for two chips that consumes less power, the OC results are scaling very well, and when the waterblocks came around we'll se their real potential (what scares me is the possible coil wine, that would be a no go for me). Nvidia has very good products, I can even defend 580SLI vs 6990 + 6970 (trifire for $1000) in some scenarios. The 580 still Nvidia's best call IMHO. I'll not even touch the point where people get in framebuffer walls with 580s or the 590. Call me whatever you want. thumb.gif

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1- Lol. Did you see me trashing any card ati or nvidia? Please don't waste your precious calories on useless queries.

2- Link please.

3- Huh?

4- I think the name of this forum is doing fine right now. How are YOU? smile.gif Oh and please point me in the direction of the rule that says: "Thou shall not use this forum for discussing components at stock speeds" Oh... now into corporate espionage I see... Bless you sir! You truly know every strategy eeeeeevil nvidia employs upon poor unsuspecting customers frown.gif Now you're saying nvidia has good products? What kind of a conflict is this? Are you high? I call thee: Lost & Confused...

I hope to god that this thread does not receive any more garbage...
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I think the drama needs to **** and go to a diff thread. Lets keep the discussion to useful info
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Originally Posted by Twilex;12919866 
I think the drama needs to **** and go to a diff thread. Lets keep the discussion to useful info

Agreed. You don't see me talking smack about me vs. 6970 cfx, 6990, 590, 570 SLi (hell quite a few 580 SLi scores too) benchmarks with my super duper VRMs.

Get out of the thread if you have nothing to add either factual, ownership wise, benchmarks, or a clue <- actually if you don't have a clue and want to ask questions pertaining to the 590 thats fine with me. The rest of you are just filling the club with useless posts.

Yes yes, our card is fail. Now leave. Trash talk somewhere else before I break my report button cherry.

P.S. Juggalo I hate you. I decided to add a RX360 rad, some Noiseblockers to my EK140, and switch out some compression fittings for 45degree ones for a cleaner install. Was supposed to be just 2x GPUs out, and 2x GPUs in.... damn sonar techs.
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Originally Posted by Juzam;12919785 
1- Lol. Did you see me trashing any card ati or nvidia? Please don't waste your precious calories on useless queries.

2- Link please.

3- Huh?

4- I think the name of this forum is doing fine right now. How are YOU? smile.gif Oh and please point me in the direction of the rule that says: "Thou shall not use this forum for discussing components at stock speeds" Oh... now into corporate espionage I see... Bless you sir! You truly know every strategy eeeeeevil nvidia employs upon poor unsuspecting customers frown.gif Now you're saying nvidia has good products? What kind of a conflict is this? Are you high? I call thee: Lost & Confused...

I hope to god that this thread does not receive any more garbage...

Juzam if you would like to proceed this discussion in this tone I'll just vanish with my "garbage". I'm far from lost & confused there is no conflict at all I just can SEE the conjecture UNBIASED. The exemple I told is simple, trifire will have better performance over 580sli in most cases but when drivers don't work for a game/app 580SLI will destroy the buggy trifire and if that happens exactly with the game/app you most play/use? 580SLI is consistent, rock solid while trifire has issues.

And

1 - This definitely isn't my personal war, but there is no need to be an engeneer to understend what comon sense can adress. They didn't put a 6+2 VRM per GPU because that would allow for insane high consumption (remember 2 580s = 2 6xPIN + 2 8xPIN), it would cost more, and it would create undesired competition for 580SLI (market segmentation my friend). The other side of the coin is that that wasn't enough for beating the 6990 in performance, even with NVIDIA claiming the king over the hill crown. And it was that what I mean when I said that it is typical from Nvidia, you're an user that have your personal thoughts, your opinion you aren't mislead. But imagine someone who wants the fastest video card (out of the box I believe 590 has a better solution, due to acoustics) and see that clain. Marketing Nvidia was always good at it and this time is misleading. Some sites considering an "avg of x% faster/slower than the competition" avg with mixed resolutions doesn't say nothing (another exemple).

I'll quote one post from another thread (already closed) because of this endless stupid fanboys war. This post express precisely my feeling.
Quote:
rx7racer
IMO It's not only the drivers fault but also the hardware.
They made a cheap solution to their VRM design taking up too much space on the pcb and Nvidia wanted it as small as possible.

We know what voltages the 110 can handle with the 580 out in the wild so long. We also see the effects of less phases with the GTX 570.

The GF110 can suck massive amounts of power therefore NV has to limit it through software which is where the drivers come in due to the hardware. Hardware wise the 590's vrm's will try to pump what the GF110 is asking for but they just can't handle it.

IMO, if the engineers would have made the pcb a tad bit longer and kept a 6+2 phase design for each core and memory then a 1 phase for the NV200 bridge chip the GTX 590 could have been the champ all around.

Can't wait to see some custom pcb designs that incorporate a more powerful vrm setup.


Anyone that says it's completely a driver issue is a moron. The only reason the driver is a issue is because the hardware is the issue. But to stay in specs they had to hinder the hardware in some way shape or form.

I really do wanna buy one just to play with, but it doesn't make much sense due to them being so limted imo, even for us users with GTX 480's we can SLI and hit/beat the performance of a GTX 590.
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Arma... put your facts straight man ... they didn't put more phases because ... there wasn't any space left!!!!

They had a plan and they sticked to the plan, that was to do a card with the pcb size of a single gpu ...

As for tri-fire and sli ... you just keep on comparing 3 gpu's against 2 ... no matter how cheaper they are ... 3 physical GPU's have higher computing power ... it's all about bandwidth! Just by using 3 pcie lanes, allows you to have more bandwidth ... so each gpu won't be 100% stressed ...

And... i think that AMD driver problems are like, 30% problems, 70% Hype ...

Nvidia has driver problems too ... but everyone just forgets about it ...
I know that in the past AMD did mess up big time on the drivers... but afaik, these last releases are good... and if you do a clean install they will work well.
post #260 of 5154
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he VRMs at 590's PCB are the GTX570 VRMs x2.

no.

The 570 has 4 VRMs
The 580 has 6
The 590 has 5 per GPU...

We're talking GPU VRMs here, because memory has some also...

And for the DRAMA...it blows...stop!!!!!!!!!
The HD6990 are apparently squeeling like piglets and we don't hear about it...
This thread should be fanboi-free and be educative/investigative/informative!!!
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