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6990 was never a limited edition and the hardware on the card, itself, is cheaper.
I'm not about to get into a VRM debate with anyone...Again...But, the actual quality of the hardware on your PCB is quite significant in comparison to AMD's offerings.
That being said, I am not going the route of the 690...I can't say more, just stating my opinion.
The whole 590 situation and waiting until the 680 to release MASSIVE updates -- Just leaves a very bad taste in my mouth...
I'm personally waiting for 680, round 2 ~ Even though my current 2 are beasts. thumb.gif

It will be interesting to hear your opinion on why you are going to avoid the 690 when you can talk about it. wink.gif
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If masked says avoid 690 than i believe him.

 

So I am waiting for you 790 rolleyes.gif

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i will absolutely look at the 690's, it just has to be worth me giving up my 590's and im not sure i wanna yet:)............ and believe me i will be looking hard and doing my research on them
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Hey Guys

 

690 is announced it seems good but i gave up on 3D gaming and 1080p will be the only resolution that I will be gaming. 690 would be too much for my purposes right? 590 will probably cut it for the next 2 years as well. What do you guys think?

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How come the GTX 590 market price is like 25% higher than Radeon 6990 but they MSRP the same price, haha I guess supply and demand, not enough going around. I just picked up a 6990 pretty much new for $400 shipped, was trying to find a 590 but wasn't going to shell out $600.

6990 was never a limited edition and the hardware on the card, itself, is cheaper.

I'm not about to get into a VRM debate with anyone...Again...But, the actual quality of the hardware on your PCB is quite significant in comparison to AMD's offerings.

The 6990 pcb is exceptional. You may want to educate yourself before posting information, especially when making a general observation about the way both companies make pcbs in general. Ignoring nvidias habit of skimping on power delivery (the 590 wasn't the only one) for a moment, AMD pcbs are always extremely solid and are no worse than nvidia equivalents.
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How come the GTX 590 market price is like 25% higher than Radeon 6990 but they MSRP the same price, haha I guess supply and demand, not enough going around. I just picked up a 6990 pretty much new for $400 shipped, was trying to find a 590 but wasn't going to shell out $600.

6990 was never a limited edition and the hardware on the card, itself, is cheaper.

I'm not about to get into a VRM debate with anyone...Again...But, the actual quality of the hardware on your PCB is quite significant in comparison to AMD's offerings.

The 6990 pcb is exceptional. You may want to educate yourself before posting information, especially when making a general observation about the way both companies make pcbs in general. Ignoring nvidias habit of skimping on power delivery (the 590 wasn't the only one) for a moment, AMD pcbs are always extremely solid and are no worse than nvidia equivalents.

Tslm, I think rather you are the under-educated one.

I don't have nearly the experience with this hardware I am sure that masked has, but the one 6990 I have seen has overheating and driver issues. The 590 does not have power draw problems, or even weak hardware on that front. It was designed to be less than the 580's solution (probably size/layout constraints) and it performs very well, when not limited by the drivers artificially.....
 
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How come the GTX 590 market price is like 25% higher than Radeon 6990 but they MSRP the same price, haha I guess supply and demand, not enough going around. I just picked up a 6990 pretty much new for $400 shipped, was trying to find a 590 but wasn't going to shell out $600.

6990 was never a limited edition and the hardware on the card, itself, is cheaper.

I'm not about to get into a VRM debate with anyone...Again...But, the actual quality of the hardware on your PCB is quite significant in comparison to AMD's offerings.

The 6990 pcb is exceptional. You may want to educate yourself before posting information, especially when making a general observation about the way both companies make pcbs in general. Ignoring nvidias habit of skimping on power delivery (the 590 wasn't the only one) for a moment, AMD pcbs are always extremely solid and are no worse than nvidia equivalents.

Tslm, I think rather you are the under-educated one.

I don't have nearly the experience with this hardware I am sure that masked has, but the one 6990 I have seen has overheating and driver issues. The 590 does not have power draw problems, or even weak hardware on that front. It was designed to be less than the 580's solution (probably size/layout constraints) and it performs very well, when not limited by the drivers artificially.....

He was referring to the pcb, not the cooler nor the software the card uses.

Anyway it was probably a bit rash to say uneducated but this supposed difference in pcb quality doesn't actually exist. I wasn't having a go at the 590.
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Hey Guys

690 is announced it seems good but i gave up on 3D gaming and 1080p will be the only resolution that I will be gaming. 690 would be too much for my purposes right? 590 will probably cut it for the next 2 years as well. What do you guys think?

i also gave up up the multi monitor 3D as well but i still own two 590's so i just run them in 3 way sli on my 42" panasonic plasma now and love this setup for 1080p gaming...... yes a little overkill now but it is a beast and in 3 way with one monitor its pretty darn nice, im good for a while with these things.
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He was referring to the pcb, not the cooler nor the software the card uses.
Anyway it was probably a bit rash to say uneducated but this supposed difference in pcb quality doesn't actually exist. I wasn't having a go at the 590.

I was referring to the PCB and considering I see actual cost and am beyond aware of the actual cost (Something you clearly aren't) I disagree entirely with your statement.

The VRM's the 590 used are the highest quality in the industry and cut Nvidia's profit margin per card, down significantly...It was their DELIVERY of the power to the "hardware" itself that was the failure, not in any/form/function of reality was it a "cheap hardware issue"...Do your research.

Having been with Alienware when both cards were released, I have an intimate knowledge of both and...I'm sorry but, in terms of cost, the 6990 was cheaper...

I mean you can sit there and whine, complain, B&M but, at the end of the day, AMD had a MUCH HIGHER profit margin on the 6990 then the 590 did and it was because NVIDIA used more expensive hardware on the cards.

Another indication of this was/is the fact of how limited the 590 actually was ~ I can't give out unit numbers but, it was limited because of the hardware on the card ~ ONLY the best was used, even of the VRM's and nothing was gimped out at all.

The 6990 on the other hand has about 10-15x the available units...Has been cited for extreme UNDERCLOCKING because their cores can't handle the load and the heat index is staggering...Had AMD actually used quality caps etc, the dissipation would at least be marginal.

So unfortunately, I absolutely disagree from a vendor perspective...Even from an enthusiast's perspective, actually...That the 6990 is a higher quality card than the 590 ~ That's just a lie.
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I'm not going to lie, I just woke up to the 690 press release a little while ago and am drooling.

But like Masked, I am also a little torked and disappointed with Nvidia for not showing the 590 any love during the entire release cycle. That is ridiculously bad customer service on Nvidia's part considering we're the customers that bought their most expensive and boutique product. So I think I'll be voting with my dollar and sitting this Hardware round out. The problem is, Nvidia probably won't get the message or care since the probable limited quantities of the card almost guarantee a sold out market.

Combine that with the fact that with most PC games being ports of console builds, and even the ones that aren't are not taxing these cards at all so that 120fps at full blast on a 120hz display on almost every game is acheived, then the decision becomes even easier.

Also, and this may be the biggest deal breaker for me, is that it's only 2gb VRAM per GPU. I was hoping/expecting for at least 3gb per GPU considering how many 580 3gb owners seem to insists that you need more than 2gb of VRAM and often seem to have the screen shots to prove it.

Masked, hopefully you can give us more insight tech wise as to why you're holding off when the NDA is lifted on Thursday and the reviews come out? And is there any chance of a 690 round 2 that might be worth it then?
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