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A 3Dfx Voodoo GTX 590 !

http://www.geforce.com/#/News/articles/voodoo-revived
HAPPY APRIL FOOLS DAY!
omg lol that's just awesome, Just imagine them really releasing a 590 3dfx version! (assuming april fools ofc )
 
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Incorrect.

The 295 release was rittled with errors. The card did NOT launch well.

It DID, recover well because Nvidia was ontop of it HOWEVER, the damage had already been done.

I'm not trying to jump down people's throats and force my opinion, I apologize if that seems to be the case...I'm frustrated with the amount of fanboys jumping ship and plaguing this release to be far worse than it is.

The bios is shoddy...It's over-volting MOST cards at stock which is why they're frying...It's in NO WAY the card itself, it's a horribly executed bios. A fix is in the works.

Same goes for the drivers...The vast majority of cards frying ARE a combination of the bios and drivers being garbage; I 100% stand behind that and completely agree.

That doesn't mean we're giving NVIDIA a pass at being as driver responsible as ATI but, it IS the situation.

A card can really only throttle when you know the potential...It is NOT currently software controlled, it is nothing like DFS; simply, at this point, I would call it choking.

I have absolutely NONE of the issues you all complain about. I have some meh results in a few games but, the scaling on these cards is still terrible so, I'm going to wait for a couple drivers to pass my opinion...If you guys want to sell, sell...

Just don't call it throttling when there's absolutely no evidence of such.

There is evidence it can't perform but, there's no evidence of the card scaling back performance in any form/function...The 4th gear it's supposed to be hitting, just isn't there atm; when it's actually there and we're NOT hitting it because the card scales, then it's throttling...That's all I'm saying.
Masked, can you please clarify which where the problems with the GTX295 launch? Yes, it had drivers problems, as all SLi 2 years ago ... i just saw my card supporting many games in 2010 ... but ... as far as physical/design problems... can you please describe which where?

I'm not being sarcastic ... i'm really trying to find out something i wasn't aware ... i saw drivers problems and heat problems ( that mainly occurred at lower fan speeds ) ... at least in the single pcb ... the dual pcb didn't had heat problems ...

Sorry to ask this in this thread, i know it's about 590 but ... it's pure curiosity and with informative title so we can compare each cards launch
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Masked, can you please clarify which where the problems with the GTX295 launch? Yes, it had drivers problems, as all SLi 2 years ago ... i just saw my card supporting many games in 2010 ... but ... as far as physical/design problems... can you please describe which where?

I'm not being sarcastic ... i'm really trying to find out something i wasn't aware ... i saw drivers problems and heat problems ( that mainly occurred at lower fan speeds ) ... at least in the single pcb ... the dual pcb didn't had heat problems ...

Sorry to ask this in this thread, i know it's about 590 but ... it's pure curiosity and with informative title so we can compare each cards launch
Verrrry busy work day.

When the 295 was originally released...To put it bluntly, same exact issues EXCEPT, the PCB was obviously much more "robust".

First week of January 2009; I believe, don't feel like looking it up...was the release date.

Anyway, we have 2 samples in the office that fried out due to the card improperly reporting temps...Those were release samples or beta samples and we were sent 2 more... I think they're in a dead box in the attic...Which I have 0 motivation to go get but, the difference is/was NVIDIA acted IMMEDIATELY on the issues people had.

It wasn't a week between drivers...It was days and sometimes HOURS...Go back and look through the beta release drivers in Dec/Jan of 2008/2009...There were MANY and a new Bios. Even more on Guru 3d because people were making their own so the card would properly scale...

I might still have the emails in the Apache backup but, back then (2 years haha) Nvidia would actually email//talk to you...Wasn't hard to get a beta driver like *snap*.

Same went for the 7900s and the 7950s...These dual cards having problems is always true...This release, there are just as many as there always have been they're just not ontop of it as much as they have been in the past.

It's very evident some people wish to throw away history and blame the card but, when there's a history of these issues occuring, it's better to just be patient.
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Anybody remember this backplate, design/serial number sticker? I believe it was posted as an EVGA card yes?

Looks familiar, only doesn't have some silicon melted around the center
Nope, this one ends with a "75", while the burned EVGA card, which is an OEM part and hence has a stock template, has "53".

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Just don't call it throttling when there's absolutely no evidence of such.
But you have evidence in this very thread, where a higher clocked card get lower scores. Driver? Since when did drivers react to higher clocks like that? CPU bottlenck? Then the score would be equal, not lower. So how is this possible?
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Ok everybody, here is vantage at the extreme preset.

Under: http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3039358
Stock: http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3039374
Over: http://3dmark.com/3dmv/3039425

Here are the three graphs from during the tests....

Under:


Stock:


Over:


And here are the results compared:



So in summary, there are issues like I said. I am waiting for driver improvements.
That's not throttling though. Driver issues sure. And before perhaps you were being bottlenecked by your CPU. Read up of Fermi low GPU ussage. They like i7s too.

[QUOTE=Masked;12953341]Omg...

Are you all too young to remember the 295? Honestly?

It's not throttling...It's going to take 3-4 months for this card to work and scale 100% the way it was "intended to".

I'm sick of this "OMG MY CARD IS THROTTLING"...No, it's not.

I have a 590 at home at 850mhz, an evga classy HC and it's absolutely NOT throttling...The drivers suck, absolutely but, that =/= throttling.[/QUOTE]

That's what I wanted to hear. Anyone that has a GTX 590 and is scare to even overclock at stock voltage really has no need to overclock or really is way too scare. I mean come on the card has warranty even if it fails overclocked as long as you keep the voltages within limits.

Personally if I had one of this. Just to put an end to rumours or to find out the truth.

I would overclock it untill I know for a fact that it throttles. I would go as high as 1.0v too. That's just me though.

But make sure you are using extreme settings to make sure you are not bottlenecking the card too.
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Masked... so you clocked your card to 850? What voltages?
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Nope, this one ends with a "75", while the burned EVGA card, which is an OEM part and hence has a stock template, has "53".


But you have evidence in this very thread, where a higher clocked card get lower scores. Driver? Since when did drivers react to higher clocks like that? CPU bottlenck? Then the score would be equal, not lower. So how is this possible?
i'm seeing scores with games and benchmarks equaling to single gpu scores instead of dual gpu scores. these drivers are not good at all currently.

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Verrrry busy work day.

When the 295 was originally released...To put it bluntly, same exact issues EXCEPT, the PCB was obviously much more "robust".

First week of January 2009; I believe, don't feel like looking it up...was the release date.

Anyway, we have 2 samples in the office that fried out due to the card improperly reporting temps...Those were release samples or beta samples and we were sent 2 more... I think they're in a dead box in the attic...Which I have 0 motivation to go get but, the difference is/was NVIDIA acted IMMEDIATELY on the issues people had.

It wasn't a week between drivers...It was days and sometimes HOURS...Go back and look through the beta release drivers in Dec/Jan of 2008/2009...There were MANY and a new Bios. Even more on Guru 3d because people were making their own so the card would properly scale...

I might still have the emails in the Apache backup but, back then (2 years haha) Nvidia would actually email//talk to you...Wasn't hard to get a beta driver like *snap*.

Same went for the 7900s and the 7950s...These dual cards having problems is always true...This release, there are just as many as there always have been they're just not ontop of it as much as they have been in the past.

It's very evident some people wish to throw away history and blame the card but, when there's a history of these issues occuring, it's better to just be patient.
go on the evga forums. those cards had ALOT of problems with them. the gtx 590 has like 8 cards maybe that have popped. the 295 has seen more cards than that die in less than a week.
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If its not throttling but you see the card core frequency fall back to lower then set rates how do you call it then ? isnt that throttling.

Same if you set power limit in CCC lower you see amd cards throttle back in core frequency.

If this isnt throttling what is it then ?
you could say choking, but doesnt choking it throttle the card to lower core frequencys ?
still throttling in my eyes.

i am not trying to be smart, i just want to understand the whole meaning of throttling now since its getting confusing
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Masked... so you clocked your card to 850? What voltages?
and on what drivers? i'm not capable of raising volts above 900mv
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If its not throttling but you see the card core frequency fall back to lower then set rates how do you call it then ? isnt that throttling.

Same if you set power limit in CCC lower you see amd cards throttle back in core frequency.

If this isnt throttling what is it then ?
you could say choking, but doesnt choking it throttle the card to lower core frequencys ?
still throttling in my eyes.

i am not trying to be smart, i just want to understand the whole meaning of throttling now since its getting confusing
I personally believe that in 2-3 months when this card ACTUALLY has a 4th gear...If it scales back, it's throttling.

Right now, the performance isn't there because the drivers aren't...There's no argument about that.

There's also a NEW bios being released.

I have no issues if you all choose to label it was "throttling"; I just find it to be an unfair conclusion considering the card hasn't even matured to it's potential.

It would be like seeing a 10 year old running and saying "Oh, that's the fastest he'll ever run, he's always going to have short legs." ~ It's not true nor remotely accurate to the situation.
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