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Your twisted views are unbelievable.
More cards would have blown up if reviewers never bothered to oc it.
Believe it or not, it's a good thing it happened or ever tom dick and harry would be popping cards.




Are you serious?

Look what happened when the OCP was disabled, or not present.
Cards blew up.
But we know 1v should be safe now. So as long as people can at least add some voltage the overclock should increase. However at this point overclock is very limited if you can only do stock voltage.
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Your card is water cooled right?

Are you able to do 750Mhz on it without touching the voltage?

Or how far can you take it before having to up the voltage? I'm sure the cards are capable of good overclocks but somehow they are being crippled.
Stock with the hydro-copper, I'm pushing 750mhz with absolutely no voltage tweaks, card is stable 24/7 and runs at @27-35C...

At home I'm pushing, 1.02v @850mhz and scaling is absolutely horrible as I've said several times.

Scaling is terrible at work on the stock as well...

I wouldn't move to call it throttling yet until in the very least, the scaling "issues" are resolved...
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I can;t Figure out how u are running 750mhz with no voltage tweak. I must have gotten a crappy card. mine will not do anything above 680mhz will stock vcore.

and I have a 1200 watt Power supply with 100amp single rail
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Stock with the hydro-copper, I'm pushing 750mhz with absolutely no voltage tweaks, card is stable 24/7 and runs at @27-35C...

At home I'm pushing, 1.02v @850mhz and scaling is absolutely horrible as I've said several times.

Scaling is terrible at work on the stock as well...

I wouldn't move to call it throttling yet until in the very least, the scaling "issues" are resolved...
scaling has nothing to do with that article. it wasn't about fps but what the card does when the volts are raised. it's definitely throttling. whether or not nvidia wants to change the throttling algorithms is up to them.
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I can;t Figure out how u are running 750mhz with no voltage tweak. I must have gotten a crappy card. mine will not do anything above 680mhz will stock vcore.
Is your card water cooled too? I guess you did get a crappy card cause HOCP pushed their air cooled card to 723Mhz and it was using 0.963v, I guess it might have a tiny bump on the voltage
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I can;t Figure out how u are running 750mhz with no voltage tweak. I must have gotten a crappy card. mine will not do anything above 680mhz will stock vcore.
i was also about to say the same thing. either you have the best card shipped to date or your numbers are definitely incorrect. what driver set are you using masked?
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But we know 1v should be safe now. So as long as people can at least add some voltage the overclock should increase. However at this point overclock is very limited if you can only do stock voltage.
You can add all the voltage you want, but the OCP will say uh uh you're not going to draw 50amps(arbitrary number) through me.
Once that happens, throttling occurs.

Now tell me why you think people would want to disable the OCP?
Is that a smart thing to do?
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The best article so far

So upping the voltage will throttle the card and upping the voltage and increasing the clocks will throttle the card even more.

It seems like Nvidia really is blocking GTX 590 users from increasing the voltage on the newer drivers. I bet this would have never happened if people would not have made such a huge deal out of the couple of cards that blew up because they put too much voltage.

So I guess now if people really want to find out what the max overclock really is, they have to use old drivers and probably bump the voltage to 1v max. because the new drivers will throttle the card.

This also means that pretty much you guys are limited to what the card can do on stock voltage for now till someone finds a way to remove OCP.

There is something the article doesn't mention though that might be worth exploring.

What causes OCP. The Power draw or is it also heat related? Will cooling help? Do Watercooled cards overclock more on stock voltage?
Unfortunately, this would be a power draw/power usage related OCP, not triggered by heat. Heat would be a separate type of throttling, one of clocks and voltages.

Water cooling would/should have no effect on the cards OCP, thus not allowing any better clocks at all.
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You can add all the voltage you want, but the OCP will say uh uh you're not going to draw 50amps(arbitrary number) through me.
Once that happens, throttling occurs.

Now tell me why you think people would want to disable the OCP?
Is that a smart thing to do?
^^^this is exactly why people are not removing the OCP.
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scaling has nothing to do with that article. it wasn't about fps but what the card does when the volts are raised. it's definitely throttling. whether or not nvidia wants to change the throttling algorithms is up to them.
Again, disagree...Hard's test WAS an FPS based test and with the voltages raised, the card spiked downward.

However, due to it being an FPS based test, there was NO CORE MONITORING...So, Hard, I believe experienced the same exact thing I am: 90%//30% ~ That =/= throttling.

It seems to be coorelative that when the voltage goes up, scaling goes to **** so, if those are their findings, I absolutely agree w/them but, that's NOT a throttling issue...

Now if OCP is kicking in and limiting power to the 2nd core, that I can understand but, there's no evidence of that atm, just terrible scaling.

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Is your card water cooled too? I guess you did get a crappy card cause HOCP pushed their air cooled card to 723Mhz and it was using 0.963v, I guess it might have a tiny bump on the voltage
Yes it's WC'd...There's a screenshot 2/3 pages back where I showed it was @700mhz, I kept going up until I BSOD'd ~ it's 24/7 stable at stock.

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i was also about to say the same thing. either you have the best card shipped to date or your numbers are definitely incorrect. what driver set are you using masked?
I have the beta's at home and .91 @ work.
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