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What are the manufacturing weeks of those cores?
45weeks & 49weeks ??

This is a batch number.
45N3XC 1045A1 & 49N3FN 1049A1
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45weeks & 49weeks ??

This is a batch number.
45N3XC 1045A1 & 49N3FN 1049A1
Wow those cores are from last year, they've really been working on the 590 for a good while.
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Wow those cores are from last year, they've really been working on the 590 for a good while.
My understanding is they started being picked when the 580's were intially in production...

Then when the second/third runs started, they kept picking, obviously.

Would explain their "cherry picking" explanation to an extent.
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they should have taken care towards the rest of the card and software as much as they did the gpus.
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they should have taken care towards the rest of the card and software as much as they did the gpus.
The thing is, I don't think Nvidia sought to achieve the performance levels of 580's in SLI with the 590 - and I think that's a huge point that people are missing.

This is a single-card, dual-GPU solution for people like me who want a performance increase past a single GTX 580 but with reduced heat, power consumption, and noise.

The above is exactly the reason why I switched from 2x480s to a single GTX 590. And let me tell you, it was very much worth it.

Would it be awesome if I could OC to the performance levels of 2 stock 580s?

Absolutely.

But I also paid $300 less for my card, and I still get the benefit of 1,024 CUDA cores, etc. I just have to be happy with an overclock on stock volts at about 700 mhz which, for $300 less and coming with less noise, heat and power consumption, i am willing to live with.

Yes, it has failed to compete with the 6990 in the way that people expected it to - but realistically, people were expecting too much from a card that wasn't really supposed to match the power of 2 stand-alone 580s, period.
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The thing is, I don't think Nvidia sought to achieve the performance levels of 580's in SLI with the 590 - and I think that's a huge point that people are missing.

This is a single-card, dual-GPU solution for people like me who want a performance increase past a single GTX 580 but with reduced heat, power consumption, and noise.

The above is exactly the reason why I switched from 2x480s to a single GTX 590. And let me tell you, it was very much worth it.

Would it be awesome if I could OC to the performance levels of 2 stock 580s?

Absolutely.

edit: if you are going to run less vram than your competitor then you better be sure you can keep up with them another way. running this single card like 580 sli is the way. It's the best way. There is no grey area in business.

But I also paid $300 less for my card, and I still get the benefit of 1,024 CUDA cores, etc. I just have to be happy with an overclock on stock volts at about 700 mhz which, for $300 less and coming with less noise, heat and power consumption, i am willing to live with.

Yes, it has failed to compete with the 6990 in the way that people expected it to - but realistically, people were expecting too much from a card that wasn't really supposed to match the power of 2 stand-alone 580s, period.
they built the card to compete first and foremost. if it doesn't compete, then it's not a success. every card will have an owner that likes it but that was not their goal while they were R&D the card. If it works well for you then that's good, but from nvidia's view(they are a business first) it's not a success.

currently I wouldn't even recommend this card to anyone above 1920x1200. maybe in a month or two with better drivers but i'll never tell someone to buy a product off of "maybes". I would have rather spent an extra 100 bucks and had a card that could clock to 580 sli levels.

for me the best thing about this card currently is the CUDA cores........period

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Yes, it has failed to compete with the 6990 in the way that people expected it to - but realistically, people were expecting too much from a card that wasn't really supposed to match the power of 2 stand-alone 580s, period.
how else were they going to win against the 6990 unless they ran it as 580 sli. they knew they didn't have the vram on the card to compete. they knew what they were about to push out.
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they built the card to compete first and foremost. if it doesn't compete, then it's not a success. every card will have an owner that likes it but that was not their goal while they were R&D the card. If it works well for you then that's good, but from nvidia's view(they are a business first) it's not a success.

currently I wouldn't even recommend this card to anyone above 1920x1200. maybe in a month or two with better drivers but i'll never tell someone to buy a product off of "maybes". I would have rather spent an extra 100 bucks and had a card that could clock to 580 sli levels.

for me the best thing about this card currently is the CUDA cores........period
This is false and I absolutely disagree.

This card was never built to compete, NVIDIA stated that from day 1 in their press releases...November, December, January...Never ever said ANYTHING about competition.

They DID say quieter, less power hungry, EXTREMELY LIMITED, CHERRY PICKED solution...Not ONCE did any press release EVER put forth or push competition as any other previous card release has.

The sampling that was given to us came with a note, it did not say ANYTHING about competition...It said a quieter, dual GPU solution...Even on the survey the released to reviewers it was blatantly obvious by the line of questioning, THIS CARD WAS NOT MADE TO COMPETE.

As I've said from day 1, HOW in god's name is a LIMITED EDITION anything going to compete with something STILL IN PRODUCTION?

Answer is simple: It can't because it doesn't have the numbers.

This was made as a more sensible dual GPU solution for it's niche users and it very much sold out instantly and succeeded in that regard...

Meant to compete? Even a high school student could tell you it would be rediculous.
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This is false and I absolutely disagree.

This card was never built to compete, NVIDIA stated that from day 1 in their press releases...November, December, January...Never ever said ANYTHING about competition.

They DID say quieter, less power hungry, EXTREMELY LIMITED, CHERRY PICKED...Not ONCE did any press release EVER put forth or push competition as any other previous card release has.

The sampling that was given to us came with a note, it did not say ANYTHING about competition...It said a quieter, dual GPU solution...Even on the survey the released to reviewers it was blatantly obvious by the line of questioning, THIS CARD WAS NOT MADE TO COMPETE.

As I've said from day 1, HOW in god's name is a LIMITED EDITION anything going to compete with something STILL IN PRODUCTION?

Answer is simple: It can't because it doesn't have the numbers.

This was made as a more sensible dual GPU solution for it's niche users and it very much sold out instantly and succeeded in that regard...

Meant to compete? Even a high school student could tell you it would be rediculous.
masked get real man. they aren't in the business of petting unicorns and saving the planet. they are a business and what they say is no different from other companies. they are there to make money and if amd wasn't there then they would have higher prices and make more money.

also it was said from nvidia themselves that they had the fastest card. they said that to give the impression that their card was #1. that's competitive talk.

limited edition does not mean it can't compete.

not sure if the high school student was a jab at me or not but even you've posted when the gtx 590 came out that you wanted to wait for reviews to see which one was the winner. obviously you thought it had a chance of competing and it's obvious if the card can take the volts at 1.0v without ocp gimpoing it then it will definitely compete so i'm not sure why the remark.
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masked get real man. they aren't in the business of petting unicorns and saving the planet. they are a business and what they say is no different from other companies. they are there to make money and if amd wasn't there then they would have higher prices and make more money.

also it was said from nvidia themselves that they had the fastest card. they said that to give the impression that their card was #1. that's competitive talk.

limited edition does not mean it can't compete.
Absolutely incorrect.

Business 101 my friend.

If you have 1000 units and your competition has 10000 units, what do you do?

You appeal to the niche market with a limited, "better niche" solution.

They absolutely did.

This is a card that's meant to be a quieter, more effecient, less problematic solution and again, you'd be a fool to say it didn't succeed in that regard.

It was never made to compete clock for clock, the PCB is direct proof of that.

They made something for a niche market that was absolutely a hit...It absolutely sold out and is significantly more popular card for card than the 6990...But, again, that gets into semantics.

Facts are simple: Nvidia did NOT make enough to compete...They did make enough to control AND satisfy a niche market and did so absolutely; this card was never made to compete CLOCK FOR CLOCK...Again, it was made for a niche market and it without a shadow of a doubt, succeeded.

A high school student could tell you the difference, it's free market capitalism...There's no way something limited can EVER compete to current production UNLESS it's appealing to a certain market...They did and they hit a home run.
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it is not less problematic. as long as you don't touch the clocks it's quieter and cooler than it's competitior but you already said it's not meant to compete so why bring that up?

i never said anything about competeing clock for clock. you should never judge amd vs nvidia on clock for clock. why do you keep saying that?

you are talking about everything but the way it performs power wise. you wouldn't even be saying this if the card was more powerful. i'm done as it's getting nowhere but sorry I have a card that isn't watercooled and believe me once clocked up even on stock volts it's not quiet(due to needing more than autofan), it's not cooler, and it's not power effecient. All of this I can deal with as it's an enthusiast card and that's what you deal with when you put two gpus on one card. it does however, currently, not perform against it's competition.

nvidia dressed their card up like the milk man and people are mad that everyone is asking for milk
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