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I DO agree with this, from a business standpoint, minus their claims...This was absolutely a hit.
Yes, but I wouldn't pay attention to those claims - we all know Nvidia's engineering department is just sneering at their marketing department for the way the card has been marketed - yes, it's been an overwhelming success in terms of sales and popularity, but they need to not boast about it being "the fastest gpu in the world," cause it clearly was not engineered to be that way.

It's meant to fill a niche market, which is where I agree with you about it being a "Limited Edition."
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You're delusional if you think the 590 was meant to compete with highly-clocked 580's in SLI.

That's like Nvidia killing its own fastest-single-gpu card market - what's not to like about the GTX 590 if it can do anything a pair of 580s can, consume less power, output less heat and noise, AND cost $300 less?

They stuck with this design to limit thermals, power consumption and noise, knowing that they did so at the expense of added performance.

People are trying to milk this card for much more than its capable and not wondering why it costs $300 less than a pair of cards it's "supposed to" compete with while having none of the disadvantages.

This is basic economics here.
if they wanted to beat the 6990 then they didn't have a choice. it's already been established that they wanted to beat the 6990 and the 590 sits at 570 sli power. the 6990 sits at 580 sli power. for those that don't like overclocking the 580 sli is still there. for those that like taking cards and overclocking the 590 could have been there but it currently isn't. you can not say that they wanted to beat the 6990, but didn't want to have 580 sli speed. it's an oxymoron.
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Yes, but I wouldn't pay attention to those claims - we all know Nvidia's engineering department is just sneering at their marketing department for the way the card has been marketed - yes, it's been an overwhelming success in terms of sales and popularity, but they need to not boast about it being "the fastest gpu in the world," cause it clearly was not engineered to be that way.

It's meant to fill a niche market, which is where I agree with you about it being a "Limited Edition."
that absolutely doesn't change the fact that it's marketed for a specific purpose and fails to deliver. if the marketing wasn't different then my claims wouldn't hold water.

same thing i told mask, you also don't know how much it cost to make the card and it being a limited item it's probably pretty close to cost. they may not even be making money off of it. it could be simply to gain the crown so to speak but i'm sure some profit is made off of it.

selling out does not always equal success. perception of success? sure, but not business $ucce$$.
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if they wanted to beat the 6990 then they didn't have a choice. it's already been established that they wanted to beat the 6990 and the 590 sits at 570 sli power. the 6990 sits at 580 sli power. for those that don't like overclocking the 580 sli is still there. for those that like taking cards and overclocking the 590 could have been there but it currently isn't. you can not say that they wanted to beat the 6990, but didn't want to have 580 sli speed. it's an oxymoron.
I for one would never try to speak about what it is Nvidia's intentions are with the GTX 590 in regards to competing with the 6990. If they came out and said that they wanted to compete with the 6990, that's different than their claim of being "the fastest gpu in the world" - we all know that's just bs propaganda. It's not necessarily an official stance of, "we're definitely at war with the 6990 here."

I know better than to spew crap I know nothing of, so whatever they said about wanting to beat/crush/slice/dice/cripple/maim the 6990 is on them.

Which again brings me to the point that the engineering and marketing aspects of this card do not agree with each other. It was built one way and marketed another, that's for sure.
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I'm actually wrong and I fold...Nvidia's own front page is ripe with bull****

I apologize.

Official Press Release

Insert foot in mouth...

That's really interesting because UNTIL that release on the 24th, there's absolutely NOTHING they put out claiming it was the fastest...It was a quieter solution meant for a niche market.

**** you Nvidia, I'm losing more and more of these arguments because of your TERRIBLE PR.

I am going to add that the card, in terms of inventory, sold out so fast, it was absolutely a hit/success.
i'm not saying your lying mask. just that the website is up since launch claiming it, then amd calls them out on it, and they give no response but the website stays up. it's a lie unless they are leaving it up cause they know something about the next drivers that I don't. still a very far fetched assumption though.
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2 years a go Jen sun Huang said NV would not do a dual gpu card if it was not the the fastest solution.
Hmm

We really shouldn't be crapping up this thread, we have like 5 actual owners, but the others that are posting, me included and kind of making a mess of this thread.

Anyway, compared to the bullet/bomb/nuke proof rev 1 GTX295 this 590 does not pass on the crown as being the best.
That's what is disappointing to me.
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If you think that there are only 1000 units of a 590 ... meh ... think again ...

btw...
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/20711
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2 years a go Jen sun Huang said NV would not do a dual gpu card if it was not the the fastest solution.
Hmm

We really shouldn't be crapping up this thread, we have like 5 actual owners, but the others that are posting, me included and kind of making a mess of this thread.

Anyway, compared to the bullet/bomb/nuke proof rev 1 GTX295 this 590 does not pass on the crown as being the best.
That's what is disappointing to me.
That sentiment completely makes sense to me. Myself, on the other hand, wanted a little bit more performance than 2x GTX 580s, yet have only ever wanted two cards at the most.

In regards to efficiency, base clock performance, the compactness and power requirements, I was indeed impressed. I of course am looking at it from a avid video gamer and SLI GTX 580 user. I am sorry but what they accomplished to me is still very impressive. It is a shame about the overclocking headroom, but again its 2x GF110s on this puppy. I just couldn't imagine it being done before it was released.

In that regard, I think its an absolute success, after all is there a more powerful nVidia card? On the other side, it failed to live up to nVidia's own pursuit of raw performance, robustness, and of course unofficially, its overclockability.

In regards to marketing, I have ignored most of it.
Edited by RagingCain - 4/5/11 at 11:49am
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If you think that there are only 1000 units of a 590 ... meh ... think again ...

btw...
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/20711
Nothing new...
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you move to a GTX 590??
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