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Let's say this kid has an IQ of 180-200, just by that fact that he is likely in the top .5 percent intellectually of the entire population living today. Just for the sake of this he should be allowed to explore what ever he wants, whatever he comes up with will likely help the world in some way or another.

On a side note my IQ is around 140 and he makes me feel like that guy from flowers for algernon.
His IQ is 170, did you even read the article?
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I'm not saying our education is bad, it's that people don't see the larger picture in it. We don't have lower class in America like a third world country, we have a semi-educated working class that gets paid low wages. This was easily achieved by teaching specific skills so that workers can only work on a single type of task. From factory work to large corporations it's done this way, it's actually a really amazing thing too.
I agree with everything you said. Having myself worked in everything from management to trade skill jobs I will certainly attest to the current loss of experience within the work force. It seems cyclic though, as is much of human endeavor. Mind you I could also regale you with tales of the Airline industry run by people with law degrees who no more know how to get torque from a CF-34 than your cat, yet make decisions on these very things all the time. Perhaps to that end, is what you refer to as being the divide between education, and social acceptance of what "knowledge" is.

It is often far easier to simply ride the agreement mary-go-round and no more "know" the subject than the next guy. However, without working knowledge, how is one to be able to "without language" envision within the minds eye a path to the next step? Calculus is an interesting field... but the real knowledge comes from reading Newton's notes, from his own book. Understand the man, and understand his mind. Learn the perspective, and the "sense" of Calculus manifest itself plain as day, as if one were born to it. With that "knowledge" one is able to create... personally I have not met the body of knowledge that does not work this way or could not have this approach applied to it for greater understanding.

You've impressed the hell out of me, and before we get wayyyyy OT, think I'll friend you up and take this conversation somewhere else. Psychology and Philosophy are both understudies of my own.
 
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wow thats so cool props him i hope he can get into electronics so we can get clocks over 9000
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I'm not saying our education is bad, it's that people don't see the larger picture in it. We don't have lower class in America like a third world country, we have a semi-educated working class that gets paid low wages. This was easily achieved by teaching specific skills so that workers can only work on a single type of task. From factory work to large corporations it's done this way, it's actually a really amazing thing too.

Part of this comes from our desire to achieve the most with as little effort as possible. People only want to learn just enough so they can make enough to buy the next toy to keep them happy. People request to be taught specific skills so that is what they are given. Unless someone who acted not on the behalf of the majority of citizens in America forced in legislation requiring stricter and broader education requirements, it's not going to change on its own. Yes it would be a good thing for America, but most people don't want to be bothered. They are just trying to live their lives. They're not interested in other people's lives outside their own.



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I'm just saying if you think it's scary to think we teach subjects so they structure how we think then you should look a bit larger. We structure our kids to be perfect replacements, easily as replicable as the next child. It won't change that way, ever. We moved on from learning a trade/craft to learning a specific skill. Its just a natural product of how our educations systems are working, to change that would be to tear down a lot of social interaction.

We can't learn an entire trade/craft anymore because there is too much information to acquire. It would take a lifetime to even begin to cover the basics of the entire trade/craft; in some fields this isn't even possible within a human lifetime. Blame the advancement of science for making subjects too complex to understand everything if you're looking for someone to blame.




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Learning is one of my biggest interests, it's why I want to go into Psych. I believe we all have a base potential, we can all achieve (with reason) the same goals and ambitions. I personally think that we can all learn and use the same skills and assets, it just depends on how you go about it. So much happens in child development to adolescence that it's hard to say why one kid is dumber than another, so much is learned and processed. We are getting closer and closer to structuring really good education. I personally believe though that we have created problems in the education system, there are some things that need to be changed in order to move us as a species to another level. That's why I'm in psych. =)
Social science is not a true science. It's no wonder you're throwing out philosophical ideas that lead nowhere. Even from your field, I would expect you to understand that most people just want to learn enough to get by and be left alone. If you truly love learning, then get a good science education, not a pseudo-science nonsense degree.



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I forgot to quote this, as I'm not thinking of polymath. I'm thinking of the final destruction of "trade skills". We don't hire a carpenter to come in and fix something in our homes or to build a new bathroom, we hire a contractor. He then has a team that is created up of individual people with separate skills. You don't have one or two men who know the entire routine. All the men on the contractor's team might know how to do everything, but not with the expertise as the person who is assigned the job. You might have one guy who lays tile and while they all can, this is the man who knows it all. That's what I'm talking about, we removed the trade/jobs that required you to have valued skills. Now you learn one skill, one task of the larger group/project. This has a couple things good come from it, teaching time and skill required to learn. Unfortunately you are a replacement who is easily as replaceable as the person you replaced. =(

There aren't many people who would work as a simple tradesman if they knew everything because they can get paid a lot more as a contractor. They can hire cheap labor to perform simple tasks and manage the overall work because contractors know the most overall knowledge but still can't possibly understand everything. They know who to go to for those gaps in knowledge though.

Our primary educational system may be a joke, but our Universities are the best in the world. We are an importer of information. People from all over the world come to this country to join us and advance that knowledge. I realize it is becoming harder and harder for even American citizens to afford college each year but that is for different topic.
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smart kid. err must learn to use more brain power. anyone got some NTZ lol
 
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