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Originally Posted by Freakie View Post

Don't worry, I'm a notebook junkie too and know all about Sagers redface.gif
But 296.10 is still kind of old when you look at Nvidia's general release rate. Are you sure you aren't stable on the latest (304.79)? Only trouble I've seen with Sagers and the latest 304 drivers was that Nvidia didn't include the Hardware IDs of some new Sagers with 600 series GPU's in them (which of course is easily fixed by modifying your INF file then rerunning the installation). I haven't seen any reliable complaints about stability with the drivers on Clevo barebones o_O
Also, your desktop is still on old drivers too xP Also has different hardware to boot. The 560 Ti is based off the GF 114 core while the 560M is based on the GF 116, so it's quiet possible that different drivers will affect your desktop and laptop GPU's differently. Just seems odd to me that you're using old WHQL drivers instead of the latest beta when you have a known performance issue rolleyes.gif
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Also, does it still stutter when you Right Click Waterfox's icon and run it with your Nvidia GPU? Come to think of it, this driver talk might not actually be all that useful if you haven't tried this yet, as WF defaults with running on the Intel GPU.

But the thing is that I don't use Beta drivers from NVIDIA? I usually use the latest WHQL driver unless it is unstable for a particular system and then I downgrade to one version less?

How do you exactly "run WF with NVIDIA GPU instead of Intel GPU"? Well, my laptop doesn't have an Intel GPU for sure, it is disabled by default.
post #2852 of 5132
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Originally Posted by kevindd992002 View Post

But the thing is that I don't use Beta drivers from NVIDIA? I usually use the latest WHQL driver unless it is unstable for a particular system and then I downgrade to one version less?
How do you exactly "run WF with NVIDIA GPU instead of Intel GPU"? Well, my laptop doesn't have an Intel GPU for sure, it is disabled by default.
Ah, apparently the NP8130 is used the same motherboard from the original 460M GPU it shipped with to the upgrade 560M and therefor it does not support Optimus. So there is no way for you to Run it with a different GPU xP My bad, didn't realize that Sager had a model that shipped with a 500 series GPU but no Optimus.

You should try the Beta drivers from the Nvidia website. You don't need to use Sager's drivers, and Beta drivers = more stability and less problems. Nvidia chooses to not have every driver be WHQL because that slows down the time that they can release drivers. Beta drivers are rarely unstable, they are just drivers that have had small fixes added on, and then released right away instead of waiting for Microsoft to give the WHQL certification for each and every driver release. And even if the latest Beta driver doesn't fix your stutter, you'll definitely get an increase in gaming performance smile.gif There have been a number of performance optimizations that you're missing out on for gaming!
post #2853 of 5132
Hi,
I was just wondering if this patch has been added or will be added to one of the next releases.

If not, how can I make\get .EXE file out of it and apply on my waterfox to check if it works?

Thanks in advance...
post #2854 of 5132
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Originally Posted by Freakie View Post

Ah, apparently the NP8130 is used the same motherboard from the original 460M GPU it shipped with to the upgrade 560M and therefor it does not support Optimus. So there is no way for you to Run it with a different GPU xP My bad, didn't realize that Sager had a model that shipped with a 500 series GPU but no Optimus.
You should try the Beta drivers from the Nvidia website. You don't need to use Sager's drivers, and Beta drivers = more stability and less problems. Nvidia chooses to not have every driver be WHQL because that slows down the time that they can release drivers. Beta drivers are rarely unstable, they are just drivers that have had small fixes added on, and then released right away instead of waiting for Microsoft to give the WHQL certification for each and every driver release. And even if the latest Beta driver doesn't fix your stutter, you'll definitely get an increase in gaming performance smile.gif There have been a number of performance optimizations that you're missing out on for gaming!

Yes you're right, it doesn't support Optimus, bummer frown.gif

Alright then. I never used Sager's GPU drivers since I'm a type of person that has all drivers updated. I'm using 296.10 simply because of stability (no BSODs) as I've said earlier. I might try the beta drivers though. So beta drivers VERSION for laptop NVIDIA GPU = beta driver VERSION for desktop NVIDIA GPU?
post #2855 of 5132
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Originally Posted by guy7685 View Post

Hi,
I was just wondering if this patch has been added or will be added to one of the next releases.
If not, how can I make\get .EXE file out of it and apply on my waterfox to check if it works?
Thanks in advance...

Although a patch has been released for this bug, it has not been verified by the QA team. To test to see if it works, either a very involved patch has to be written that replaces the old code, or the source code needs to be recompiled with that new code...which is what is done by the QA team. It is not as simple as turning the new code into an .exe file. This issue is slated for firefox15 which Mr Alex will recompile into waterfox15. Until then i recommend you holding your monitor in front of a mirror...lol tongue.gif
post #2856 of 5132
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Originally Posted by krazysteve33 View Post

Although a patch has been released for this bug, it has not been verified by the QA team. To test to see if it works, either a very involved patch has to be written that replaces the old code, or the source code needs to be recompiled with that new code...which is what is done by the QA team. It is not as simple as turning the new code into an .exe file. This issue is slated for firefox15 which Mr Alex will recompile into waterfox15. Until then i recommend you holding your monitor in front of a mirror...lol tongue.gif

Thanks for the tip... waiting for WF15 then...
post #2857 of 5132
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Originally Posted by kevindd992002 View Post

Yes you're right, it doesn't support Optimus, bummer frown.gif
Alright then. I never used Sager's GPU drivers since I'm a type of person that has all drivers updated. I'm using 296.10 simply because of stability (no BSODs) as I've said earlier. I might try the beta drivers though. So beta drivers VERSION for laptop NVIDIA GPU = beta driver VERSION for desktop NVIDIA GPU?
Yep, the drivers are mostly GPU core tweaks, and so since desktops and laptops use the same GPU cores then Nvidia almost always releases the same driver version for both at the same time.
post #2858 of 5132
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Originally Posted by Freakie View Post

Yep, the drivers are mostly GPU core tweaks, and so since desktops and laptops use the same GPU cores then Nvidia almost always releases the same driver version for both at the same time.

Ok. So what if updating my GPU drivers didn't solve the problem, any other suggestions?
post #2859 of 5132
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Originally Posted by kevindd992002 View Post

Ok. So what if updating my GPU drivers didn't solve the problem, any other suggestions?
Try putting a second install of Windows on your computer and seeing if you still have the problem?

Another thing I would try to do is completely uninstall Flash, Waterfox, and Firefox and then use something like RevoUninstaller's tracking feature to record the installation of all 3 of those. So you'd uninstall everything the best you can, then individually install each one, one by one, tracking each one separately with RevoUninstaller. Once you have them all tracked, I would then used the saved logs with RevoUninstaller to Uninstall all 3 once more. This way, you make sure to reverse EVERY change that they make to your system (usually a program's uninstaller leaves some things screwed up). I do this when I am really having problems with a program that just wont work no matter how many times I reinstall and it fixes the problem about half the time.

Both of those two suggestions are time intensive, unfortunately :/ The first one would let you know if it's something with your system, second will skip that and just try to brute-force fix things. I'd also make sure your chipset drivers are up-to-date from Intel as well.
post #2860 of 5132
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Originally Posted by Freakie View Post

Try putting a second install of Windows on your computer and seeing if you still have the problem?
Another thing I would try to do is completely uninstall Flash, Waterfox, and Firefox and then use something like RevoUninstaller's tracking feature to record the installation of all 3 of those. So you'd uninstall everything the best you can, then individually install each one, one by one, tracking each one separately with RevoUninstaller. Once you have them all tracked, I would then used the saved logs with RevoUninstaller to Uninstall all 3 once more. This way, you make sure to reverse EVERY change that they make to your system (usually a program's uninstaller leaves some things screwed up). I do this when I am really having problems with a program that just wont work no matter how many times I reinstall and it fixes the problem about half the time.
Both of those two suggestions are time intensive, unfortunately :/ The first one would let you know if it's something with your system, second will skip that and just try to brute-force fix things. I'd also make sure your chipset drivers are up-to-date from Intel as well.

Thanks for the 1st suggestion although I don't think that will solve the problem since this is a fairly new Win7 install.

I already did your 2nd suggestion before even asking in this thread. I'm an OC type of person and do these things very neatly which is why I don't think it will also help?

And my drivers are ALL updated. Even all the firmwares/BIOS down from the USB3 ports up to the main BIOS of my laptop, so yeah.
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