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*Sigh* Some people at Lifehacker really tore me a new one, but I've replied to them trying to sort all these problems out that seemed to have appeared from nowhere. And everyone keeps comparing it to Palemoon, even though Waterfox came out before Palemoon had a 64-Bit variant. Ideally they should both perform exactly the same, to which then it should just come down to personal preference to which one they prefer. But I like the criticism, it helps me to build a better product.

 

Alright guys, here's my idea for Watefox 10, I'd like to get some peoples oppinion:

 

  • No more rapid release cycle. The first Waterfox.Next build will be 10.0.0. Any small updates will be 10.0.x and any major updates (such as overhaul of the UI or anything big Mozilla or I changes) will be 10.x.0
  • Implication of SSE3 using the Intel compiler WITHOUT the performance disavantages for AMD systems
  • The Intel compiler is usually higher regarded that the Microsoft compiler for producing smaller, faster code. It also has many more advantages, such as more optimizations and more instruction set support.
  • Updated website (still similar to the current one, but more professional looking)
  • Purchase of a TLD thanks to the donations
  • Working auto-update this time, not one that downloads the update but produces an error.

 

Any other ideas guys? What do you think about the above?

 

Thanks all.

    
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How about dumping the version number completely or setting the version number to the date? You can probably still add what version of Firefox it's built off of in the about dialog though. Also this would allow you to nuke the stable/beta channel stuff - you could update Waterfox to use the later betas then final versions without issue.

Yes, it might break extensions but they'll be made compatible by default with FF 10, I believe, so that shouldn't be an issue.
Edited by Lord Venom - 12/29/11 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by MrAlex View Post

*Sigh* Some people at Lifehacker really tore me a new one, but I've replied to them trying to sort all these problems out that seemed to have appeared from nowhere. And everyone keeps comparing it to Palemoon, even though Waterfox came out before Palemoon had a 64-Bit variant. Ideally they should both perform exactly the same, to which then it should just come down to personal preference to which one they prefer. But I like the criticism, it helps me to build a better product.

Alright guys, here's my idea for Watefox 10, I'd like to get some peoples oppinion:
  • No more rapid release cycle. The first Waterfox.Next build will be 10.0.0. Any small updates will be 10.0.x and any major updates (such as overhaul of the UI or anything big Mozilla or I changes) will be 10.x.0
  • Implication of SSE3 using the Intel compiler WITHOUT the performance disavantages for AMD systems
  • The Intel compiler is usually higher regarded that the Microsoft compiler for producing smaller, faster code. It also has many more advantages, such as more optimizations and more instruction set support.
  • Updated website (still similar to the current one, but more professional looking)
  • Purchase of a TLD thanks to the donations
  • Working auto-update this time, not one that downloads the update but produces an error.

Any other ideas guys? What do you think about the above?

Thanks all.

Palemoon x64 should actually be slower, due to the Palemoon dev building it with a less than ideal setup -
Quote:
Compiler x64: Visual Studio 2010 command-line x64 compiler. No PGO or jemalloc possible in this setup
LINK

All looks good to me smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Lord Venom View Post

How about dumping the version number completely or setting the version number to the date? You can probably still add what version of Firefox it's built off of in the about dialog though. Also this would allow you to nuke the stable/beta channel stuff - you could update Waterfox to use the later betas then final versions without issue.

Yes, it might break extensions but they'll be made compatible by default with FF 10, I believe, so that shouldn't be an issue.


A version number is required unfortunately, but no worry about compatibility with extension, because I can disable version check. Since the underlying source code will be the latest version of Firefox it shouldn't cause a problem.
 

 

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrAlex View Post

*Sigh* Some people at Lifehacker really tore me a new one, but I've replied to them trying to sort all these problems out that seemed to have appeared from nowhere. And everyone keeps comparing it to Palemoon, even though Waterfox came out before Palemoon had a 64-Bit variant. Ideally they should both perform exactly the same, to which then it should just come down to personal preference to which one they prefer. But I like the criticism, it helps me to build a better product.

Alright guys, here's my idea for Watefox 10, I'd like to get some peoples oppinion:
  • No more rapid release cycle. The first Waterfox.Next build will be 10.0.0. Any small updates will be 10.0.x and any major updates (such as overhaul of the UI or anything big Mozilla or I changes) will be 10.x.0
  • Implication of SSE3 using the Intel compiler WITHOUT the performance disavantages for AMD systems
  • The Intel compiler is usually higher regarded that the Microsoft compiler for producing smaller, faster code. It also has many more advantages, such as more optimizations and more instruction set support.
  • Updated website (still similar to the current one, but more professional looking)
  • Purchase of a TLD thanks to the donations
  • Working auto-update this time, not one that downloads the update but produces an error.

Any other ideas guys? What do you think about the above?

Thanks all.

Palemoon x64 should actually be slower, due to the Palemoon dev building it with a less than ideal setup -
Quote:
Compiler x64: Visual Studio 2010 command-line x64 compiler. No PGO or jemalloc possible in this setup
LINK

All looks good to me smile.gif



Ah that is interesting. Well, hopefully I can get the Intel compiler to work (I have to modify the source code because Firefox is designed to be compiled with MSVC for Windows), so I can pull ahead some more in performance.

 

    
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Okay, how about a date-of-release version number?
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I don't see the advantage to not having a version number. How would you keep track of what version you're on? How would you know if you were using an older, non secure version or the most recent stable, secure version? Also, I don't want my browser to auto update. I want to be notified that an update has become available and let ME choose if and when to initiate the update. Frequent updates, large or small don't bother me. I just want to know my browser is stable and secure.
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[*] No more rapid release cycle. The first Waterfox.Next build will be 10.0.0. Any small updates will be 10.0.x and any major updates (such as overhaul of the UI or anything big Mozilla or I changes) will be 10.x.0

Sounds good!

[*] Implication of SSE3 using the Intel compiler WITHOUT the performance disavantages for AMD systems

Sounds good!

[*] The Intel compiler is usually higher regarded that the Microsoft compiler for producing smaller, faster code. It also has many more advantages, such as more optimizations and more instruction set support.

Sounds good!

[*] Updated website (still similar to the current one, but more professional looking)

Sounds good!

[*] Purchase of a TLD thanks to the donations

I have no idea what a TLD is.

[*] Working auto-update this time, not one that downloads the update but produces an error.

I prefer to update on my own.
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TLD = top level domain, ie. www.waterfox.com
or could mean Tape Library Device, i'd go with the former rather than the latter as there are better ways to back up now wink.gif

p.s.- i like version numbers, 10.x.y is good.
Edited by kronckew - 12/29/11 at 11:56pm
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I don't see the advantage to not having a version number. How would you keep track of what version you're on? How would you know if you were using an older, non secure version or the most recent stable, secure version? Also, I don't want my browser to auto update. I want to be notified that an update has become available and let ME choose if and when to initiate the update. Frequent updates, large or small don't bother me. I just want to know my browser is stable and secure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by djkilla View Post

[*] No more rapid release cycle. The first Waterfox.Next build will be 10.0.0. Any small updates will be 10.0.x and any major updates (such as overhaul of the UI or anything big Mozilla or I changes) will be 10.x.0

Sounds good!

[*] Implication of SSE3 using the Intel compiler WITHOUT the performance disavantages for AMD systems

Sounds good!

[*] The Intel compiler is usually higher regarded that the Microsoft compiler for producing smaller, faster code. It also has many more advantages, such as more optimizations and more instruction set support.

Sounds good!

[*] Updated website (still similar to the current one, but more professional looking)

Sounds good!

[*] Purchase of a TLD thanks to the donations

I have no idea what a TLD is.

[*] Working auto-update this time, not one that downloads the update but produces an error.

I prefer to update on my own.


Don't worry, auto-update doesn't actually download and install by itslef, it works how the current update for Firefox works. It tells you that an update is available and you can either download it or ignore it.



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Originally Posted by kronckew View Post

TLD = top level domain, ie. www.waterfox.com
or could mean Tape Library Device, i'd go with the former rather than the latter as there are better ways to back up now wink.gif

p.s.- i like version numbers, 10.x.y is good.


And yes a TLD is a top level domain ;)
 

 

    
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