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There will be *official* support until 2014.
Only on security-related issues, such as problems with a random number generator or an issue with one of their encryption schema (for instance, a core component in their cryptography engine shared by OS as far back as 2000 and as recent as 8). All feature-based support ended a while ago. It really is living on the frontier sticking with XP--especially x64--in this day and age.
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All feature-based support ended a while ago.

Which is exactly of what importance to security issues?
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It really is living on the frontier sticking with XP--especially x64--in this day and age.

I don't see an argument in your warning.

And this is all OFF TOPIC, btw.

Waterfox is the only 64-bit application I'm currently interested in, which is no longer working under XP x64.

If the thread starter does no longer support it, he should say so and me (and others) are off.

But as long as there is a chance, I would like to stick with Waterfox AND XP x64.

End of line.
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Which is exactly of what importance to security issues?
I don't see an argument in your warning.
I wasn't making an argument nor was I making any attempt to 'attack' your decision. I was merely making a correction to your statement. wink.gif
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Dropping XP support seems logical to me. People should at least be using Windows 7 aka the new Windows XP. wink.gif
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I've also been an enthusiastic user of Waterfox under XP x64. Well, until version 18.01 came along and ended the friendship prematurely.

Since I don't see any reason to switch to Windows Vista, 7 or 8 now, I really hope there will be a version of Waterfox for XP x64!

Anything we can do to help?

Hi meyer,

The reason waterfox or any of the other x64 mozilla variant browsers will not work on XP is not an issue of the developers it's a microsoft induced issue with vs 2012.

As most were using vs 2009 or vs 2010 before and Alex has also just switched to vs 2012 as well for his last compiles the issue resides there as vs 2012 does not support XP at all only vista and above. That is the reason you are not able to run them on windows XP x64. There is an update pack 1 for vs 2012 that is out now that was supposed to add support for XP but it does not work properly at all. It causes major problems when using it with the C++ compiler as I use both programs daily, the bugs it produces in other areas when trying to make a compile are almost impossible to work around. To get it to work you would be looking at trying to make a frankenbuild of firefox that would run very buggy and unstable as there is no true way to work around the issues when using vs2012 to compile applications so they work on XP systems.
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The reason waterfox or any of the other x64 mozilla variant browsers will not work on XP is not an issue of the developers it's a microsoft induced issue with vs 2012.

Yeah, I am aware of that.
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As most were using vs 2009 or vs 2010 before and Alex has also just switched to vs 2012 as well for his last compiles the issue resides there as vs 2012 does not support XP at all only vista and above.

Point is, I am not the only one who wants to stay with XP x64 (have a google if you don't believe me). So is Alex going to keep it that way ("can't be fixed & Microsoft is responsible") or will he try to find a solution IF ONE COMES UP. (BTW: I certainly won't blame him if goes the easy route. It's his effort all the way.)

I won't die if there's no solution for Waterfox, I'm just using another 64-bit browser. It's not about having no option, just convenience.
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To get it to work you would be looking at trying to make a frankenbuild of firefox that would run very buggy and unstable as there is no true way to work around the issues when using vs2012 to compile applications so they work on XP systems.

So, what you're basically telling me is, that if you'd compile it with one of the older versions of vs, it should still work?
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Is this where we post bugs?

Waterfox 18.01 has an issue that's driving me batty -- it is sporadically jumping up to 25-50% CPU usage, even when nothing is apparently loading. Sometimes it will just stay around 50% without dropping back down, even when I'm not using the browser.

I'm also getting micro-freezes of Waterfox -and- my system. Just now, I opened up Task Manager to watch the CPU usage. Waterfox is jumping back and forth between 25% usage to 3% usage, almost like it's oscillating. But even worse, not only is Waterfox micro-freezing (where it will hang for a few seconds), Task Manager is also occasionally freezing. It's maddening! Unfortunately, it never happens right away -- it could be hours until it starts, but once it does start, it doesn't go away until a browser restart.

Win 7 x64, i7 4Ghz, 12GB ram. Lots of tabs open, Waterfox currently using 3GB of memory currently (never been a problem before). All plugins and addons are up to date, along with Win 7 updates.

Besides manually iterating through and disabling addons, is there a way to try and pinpoint or narrow the issue?
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The fact that your task manager is also freezing lets you know you have something else going on with your computer.
I am using the same proc. as you also running at 4Ghz and same amount of ram and not seeing anything like you are.Don't know what motherboard your using as you didn't post it (an Asus for this one) and even posting this from it now but WF goes up to almost 2GB usage after running for awhile but 2-3% of processor usage max with no freezes besides that slight delay the 1st time flash starts which is occurring on any browser I use. Suggest you look at any memory 'speedup' programs you have used or even your BIOS settings as something is messing with your memory allocation settings.
Also try going here http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=30679 go the 2nd one down and download and run it. I did and it seems to make several things smoother and have run into no compatibility problems with anything compiled in the new VS2012. Someone said Microsoft update dealt with this in the latest updates but I didn't see it,only security issues. Hope this helps thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by meyerf34 View Post

Yeah, I am aware of that.
Point is, I am not the only one who wants to stay with XP x64 (have a google if you don't believe me). So is Alex going to keep it that way ("can't be fixed & Microsoft is responsible") or will he try to find a solution IF ONE COMES UP. (BTW: I certainly won't blame him if goes the easy route. It's his effort all the way.)

I won't die if there's no solution for Waterfox, I'm just using another 64-bit browser. It's not about having no option, just convenience.
So, what you're basically telling me is, that if you'd compile it with one of the older versions of vs, it should still work?

Hi meyer oh don't get me wrong I am not sitting here trying to tell you to switch os's at all I no longer use xp myself but still love the os I was using xp x64 back when it first came out before most knew what an x64 system was lol. I have been on x64 systems ever since. I skipped the whole vista fiasco and stayed with xp x64 all the way to 7 and am now entrenched in windows 7 x64 have no interest in win 8.

I was just trying to let you know that the reason you were having issues on xp with waterfox was because of vs 2012 being used to compile it. As to your last question if an earlier version of vs was used to compile the build would it work on xp yes it would work. The problem is that the older vs versions do not work well with the new mozilla code and ion monkey compiler method that's the reason most that were not already using vs 2012 made the switch to it when version 18 came out.
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Hi meyer oh don't get me wrong I am not sitting here trying to tell you to switch os's at all

Hey, no worries! I never complain about good advice. smile.gif
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I skipped the whole vista fiasco and stayed with xp x64 all the way to 7 and am now entrenched in windows 7 x64 have no interest in win 8.

I came back to XP x64 after I figured out that Vista is bollocks and that I don't like 7 - don't like its GUI and certainly don't like it taking me by the hand in some regards and "hiding" things from me in others. And it takes way to long for my taste to set it up properly when compared to XP.

Driver support and stability is good though and I recommend it to those people, who don't want to think (or know) too much about maintenance and can live with the "altered" (but not improved) handling.

All of this is my personal opinion. So don't even think about starting an argument! wink.gif

On the other hand I wanted a "better" Windows than XP SP3 and had tested x64 some (long) time ago - with rather bad results. But now this changed completely with SP2 and Windows Update Downloader.

More than 3.5 Gigs of RAM are supported, 64-bit software runs without problems and there are a number of improvements compared to 32-bit XP. And it handles (nearly) exactly the same as XP. Pretty fast too.
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I was just trying to let you know that the reason

And thank you for that! (If I haven't done so before.)
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As to your last question if an earlier version of vs was used to compile the build would it work on xp yes it would work.

OK.
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The problem is that the older vs versions do not work well with the new mozilla code and ion monkey compiler method that's the reason most that were not already using vs 2012 made the switch to it when version 18 came out.

I see. Too bad that Microsoft is worming its way out of this problem the usual way - by not improving and leaving it alone.

Oh, well, maybe some community will come up with a fix.

Until a year ago I even allowed my vintage system with Windows 2000 to go online (rarely though) as there were people out there adapting current security patches and even fixes for that (now) ancient OS.
Edited by meyerf34 - 2/14/13 at 10:11pm
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