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Originally Posted by kevindd992002 View Post

It's possible but as I've said I'm not experiencing microstuttering right now just Flash video stuttering?
Right, and what I'm saying is that even if I test what you're asking the results will be poisoned by the problem I'm having. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by NomakeWan View Post

Right, and what I'm saying is that even if I test what you're asking the results will be poisoned by the problem I'm having. wink.gif

But you could always try with WF18.0.1 or FF 22.0a1 which you said you do not experience microstuttering with?
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Originally Posted by kevindd992002 View Post

But you could always try with WF18.0.1 or FF 22.0a1 which you said you do not experience microstuttering with?
Ah, sure thing. Firefox 22.0a1 experiences 177 frame drops over the course of a 3:40 video. The drops appear to be random in nature but I have long expected such playback from Firefox in general, well before switching to Waterfox. As far as I'm concerned this level of playback is average for Firefox on YouTube.

http://i.imgur.com/6Su4fmO.jpg

Chrome, by comparison, experienced only two dropped frames on the same video. Again, I've come to expect this from Chrome on YouTube (seeing as they're both by the same company so of course they jive well).

http://i.imgur.com/Kmxy5XK.jpg

Does that result help? Are there any other tests you wish to perform?

EDIT: On a whim, went and disabled the Chrome option 'continue running background apps after Chrome is closed' even though IIRC that's a Windows 8-only option, as some had reported it played funky with Firefox. I then restarted Firefox and tried the same video again. If I had to guess I would say the restart changed things more than the option in Chrome but your mileage may prove otherwise. For reference, the same video then had only 90 dropped frames.

http://i.imgur.com/o5TQ3pG.jpg

EDIT 2: Even more fun! So since I had been testing YouTube in full-screen (because accelerated video rendering doesn't want to work in windowed mode) I switched back and noticed the dropped frames decrease sharply. On another whim I did two more tests in windowed mode this time, one with hardware acceleration enabled and the other without. Here are the results.

Without hardware acceleration and in windowed mode, FF 22.0a1 had 61 dropped frames.

http://i.imgur.com/OIIWyJB.jpg

With hardware acceleration in windowed mode, FF 22.0a1 had 10 (!) dropped frames.

http://i.imgur.com/js9HVAO.jpg

Not sure what's going on with full-screen full-acceleration. Will have to test full-screen in pure software and see what happens.

EDIT 3: And as mentioned, did a test with full-screen in full software. Looked absolutely horrendous and dropped 69 frames. Not even going to bother posting a screenshot of the debug info because it was just ugly. However, did go back and test Chrome in windowed mode. That seemed to fix the two dropped frames and it achieved a perfect 0.

http://i.imgur.com/PObr5xV.jpg
Edited by NomakeWan - 3/10/13 at 6:40am
post #4964 of 7308
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Originally Posted by NomakeWan View Post

Ah, sure thing. Firefox 22.0a1 experiences 177 frame drops over the course of a 3:40 video. The drops appear to be random in nature but I have long expected such playback from Firefox in general, well before switching to Waterfox. As far as I'm concerned this level of playback is average for Firefox on YouTube.

http://i.imgur.com/6Su4fmO.jpg

Chrome, by comparison, experienced only two dropped frames on the same video. Again, I've come to expect this from Chrome on YouTube (seeing as they're both by the same company so of course they jive well).

http://i.imgur.com/Kmxy5XK.jpg

Does that result help? Are there any other tests you wish to perform?

EDIT: On a whim, went and disabled the Chrome option 'continue running background apps after Chrome is closed' even though IIRC that's a Windows 8-only option, as some had reported it played funky with Firefox. I then restarted Firefox and tried the same video again. If I had to guess I would say the restart changed things more than the option in Chrome but your mileage may prove otherwise. For reference, the same video then had only 90 dropped frames.

http://i.imgur.com/o5TQ3pG.jpg

EDIT 2: Even more fun! So since I had been testing YouTube in full-screen (because accelerated video rendering doesn't want to work in windowed mode) I switched back and noticed the dropped frames decrease sharply. On another whim I did two more tests in windowed mode this time, one with hardware acceleration enabled and the other without. Here are the results.

Without hardware acceleration and in windowed mode, FF 22.0a1 had 61 dropped frames.

http://i.imgur.com/OIIWyJB.jpg

With hardware acceleration in windowed mode, FF 22.0a1 had 10 (!) dropped frames.

http://i.imgur.com/js9HVAO.jpg

Not sure what's going on with full-screen full-acceleration. Will have to test full-screen in pure software and see what happens.

EDIT 3: And as mentioned, did a test with full-screen in full software. Looked absolutely horrendous and dropped 69 frames. Not even going to bother posting a screenshot of the debug info because it was just ugly. However, did go back and test Chrome in windowed mode. That seemed to fix the two dropped frames and it achieved a perfect 0.

http://i.imgur.com/PObr5xV.jpg

Now, that is interesting! Thank you very much for these extensive tests, this is something. +rep thumb.gif

I tried running a video with IE and I also got a perfect 0 dropped frames. One more thing to try though, can you try playing the same video in Firefox Private Browsing (Ctrl+Shift+P) and monitor the dropped frames? In my case, I got a perfect 0 also in that case mainly because it had only one tab opened.

So this can be attributed to a problem with Flash then. When can this be ever fixed frown.gif For comparison purposes, what video are you playing?
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Originally Posted by kevindd992002 View Post

Now, that is interesting! Thank you very much for these extensive tests, this is something. +rep thumb.gif

I tried running a video with IE and I also got a perfect 0 dropped frames. One more thing to try though, can you try playing the same video in Firefox Private Browsing (Ctrl+Shift+P) and monitor the dropped frames? In my case, I got a perfect 0 also in that case mainly because it had only one tab opened.

So this can be attributed to a problem with Flash then. When can this be ever fixed frown.gif For comparison purposes, what video are you playing?
Running it in private browsing changes nothing, but I should note that 22.0a1 operates like Chrome in that it opens a new private browsing window without closing the original window, and as such may not exhibit the same only-one-tab-open behavior you're referring to. The video I'm running is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyIJ8yI7540 for reference.

EDIT: IE9x64 dropped 7 frames in windowed mode on the same video.
Edited by NomakeWan - 3/10/13 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by NomakeWan View Post

Running it in private browsing changes nothing, but I should note that 22.0a1 operates like Chrome in that it opens a new private browsing window without closing the original window, and as such may not exhibit the same only-one-tab-open behavior you're referring to. The video I'm running is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyIJ8yI7540 for reference.

Oh ok. I use FF 19.0.2 for the private browsing test I've mentioned. I've tried playing the same video and I got a whooping 125 frames dropped. This is really getting frustrating.
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It ended up being the conduit virus
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Hey guys don't you know if i can use Waterfox and Firefox by not sharing apps, bookmarks between them? I mean i want to have some apps in Firefox (it helps me with my work) and have another apps and bokmarks in Waterfox.
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Apps? You mean Add-ons?

Normal profiles like Firefox also work in Waterfox.

"-p" at the end of your shortcut:
"C:\Program Files\Waterfox\waterfox.exe" -p
post #4970 of 7308
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Originally Posted by Kajt2000 View Post

Hey guys don't you know if i can use Waterfox and Firefox by not sharing apps, bookmarks between them? I mean i want to have some apps in Firefox (it helps me with my work) and have another apps and bokmarks in Waterfox.
Yes, easily. MrGlasspoole's answer will work if you want to use the same browser install, but have 2 alternative profiles, bookmark sets etc. I do it by having 2 different installs, which I can run simultaneously or copy settings between easily, and lets me run Waterfox and Firefox (or multiple instances) simultaneously without one affecting the other, so here's how to do that in case you want to.

You can install Firefox or Waterfox as portable (USB) browsers, in which case they will have a separate folder for their profiles, compared to any other install or folder you might have containing other installs. You can put a FirefoxPortable.ini in the root of the portable folder; mine looks like this (see examples in \Other\Source):
Code:
[FirefoxPortable]
FirefoxDirectory=App\firefox
ProfileDirectory=YOUR_PROFILE_FOLDER_NAME  (relative or absolute path)
SettingsDirectory=Data\settings
PluginsDirectory=Data\plugins
FirefoxExecutable=firefox.exe
AdditionalParameters=
LocalHomepage=
DisableSplashScreen=true
AllowMultipleInstances=true     (Important if running 2 instances simultaneously)
DisableIntelligentStart=false
SkipCompregFix=false
RunLocally=false

(You might need to rename waterfox.exe to firefox.exe or change the executable path in the .ini)

The Waterfox code is directly substitutable for the firefox code - one thing I love - so if you unpack it to a folder and replace the /App folder for firefox with that for Waterfox, it'll work along with your extensions (although you might need to update plugins). You can also swap back to firefox any time the same way. Always back up your profile before risking it smile.gif
Edited by Stilez - 3/12/13 at 4:40am
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