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I haven't checked in on Waterfox for a long time.
I'm so glad Alex is OK.
Waterfox really is fast!
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Hi thechas. Could you try the above installer and see if you get the same issues?

Thanks!

Is the installer shared in the dropbox link in this post the same as the one in the OP?
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Can someone explain to me the benifits of Waterfox over say Google Chrome? I was an avid Firefox user until I started using Google services so now I am pretty much intergrated into that browser for convenience. I just dont see the point of 64 bit browsers...
 
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Can someone explain to me the benifits of Waterfox over say Google Chrome? I was an avid Firefox user until I started using Google services so now I am pretty much intergrated into that browser for convenience. I just dont see the point of 64 bit browsers...

Why don't you see the point of 64bit browsers? Perhaps you're not of a multitasking type of user with lots and lots of tabs and extensions?
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Can someone explain to me the benifits of Waterfox over say Google Chrome? I was an avid Firefox user until I started using Google services so now I am pretty much intergrated into that browser for convenience. I just dont see the point of 64 bit browsers...
For many users, there isn't a point.

But a significant number of users will find it extremely useful, because of its one key feature: it doesn't crash if you use many tabs, or data, or script/DOM/other storage, or you hit the 4GB x32 process memory limit. So if you happen to be someone who uses large sessions and you want to keep Firefox's open source vendor neutrality, extension ecosphere, non-tracking (**cough**Google TrackYouChrome**cough**), or process efficiency (**Chromeagain**) a 64 bit build isn't "optional" - it's actually the only way one can use Firefox.

It turns out that in every Mozilla user study on tab use, a significant minority of users do use a browser that way.....

Try opening 700 tabs in Chrome or Firefox 32 bit as some heavy users do (I've got 2400 open here, which is a lot even by heavy user standards), and "oops". So that's the sole reason a person may truly need a 64 bit build, and does apply to a number of users. If it doesn't apply to you, then it's not something your working method needs.
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For many users, there isn't a point.

But a significant number of users will find it extremely useful, because of its one key feature: it doesn't crash if you use many tabs, or data, or script/DOM/other storage, or you hit the 4GB x32 process memory limit. So if you happen to be someone who uses large sessions and you want to keep Firefox's open source vendor neutrality, extension ecosphere, non-tracking (**cough**Google TrackYouChrome**cough**), or process efficiency (**Chromeagain**) a 64 bit build isn't "optional" - it's actually the only way one can use Firefox.

It turns out that in every Mozilla user study on tab use, a significant minority of users do use a browser that way.....

Try opening 700 tabs in Chrome or Firefox 32 bit as some heavy users do (I've got 2400 open here, which is a lot even by heavy user standards), and "oops". So that's the sole reason a person may truly need a 64 bit build, and does apply to a number of users. If it doesn't apply to you, then it's not something your working method needs.
Why do you use so many tabs? I cannot comprehend this. I use 20 ever at most and I start to get twitchy and OCD kicks in.
 
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Why do you use so many tabs? I cannot comprehend this. I use 20 ever at most and I start to get twitchy and OCD kicks in.
Then x64 isn't going to be specially relevant for your needs, I guess. Different people, different working needs and ways of working, is all
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Then x64 isn't going to be specially relevant for your needs, I guess. Different people, different working needs and ways of working, is all
Seriously though, what are you doing that you need so many tabs open at once? How do you even keep track of that?

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Most likely and addon as the culprit.

Ghostery had a memory leak. A couple hours in and it would be eating 2GB of memory for 3 tabs.

Disable addons and see if the leak disappears.
It should because Firefox 24 does not have a memory leak for me so it can't be the program itself.
Does this occur in both Firefox and Waterfox?

If so, then try reinstalling Firefox and test without any extensions.
If not, then it could be a problem related to the compiling of Waterfox.

Let the memory leak run for a little while then go to about:memory to see a list of memory usage between objects that call for it. See what the culprit is.
I did that. most of it is javascript runtime.i'm running lastpass, https everywhere, ghostery, and ABP.

If you have a memory leak then it is Ghostery.

Ghostery will cause your browser to start consuming 1,2...4...8 GB of RAM until you start getting memory errors and then you BSOD eventually.

I'm not sure if they ever fixed the problem. I uninstalled it and never reinstalled it since finding this out.

Also don't forget Ghostery is provided to you by the same company that tracks you.

Also beware that HTTPS everywhere does not provided HTTPS encryption for every site.
Only the ones that choose to provide it themselves.
I think the name is misleading as it makes you think all websites are now encrypted
but it only helps on using HTTPS better for sites that choose to provide it.

As always, if the browser's lock icon is broken or carries an exclamation mark, you may remain vulnerable to some adversaries that use active attacks or traffic analysis.

And by no means is it a bad addon, in fact I might start using it myself. Was just something I wanted to let you know in case you didn't.


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Ghostery is owned by Evidon, Inc. What is Evidon?
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Evidon is a technology company that provides solutions for consumers, businesses and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) that enable them to see, understand and control data online. For businesses and NGOs, Evidon provides the technological underpinnings that put the AdChoices icon, which functions as a “tracking nutrition label” into ads, as well as reports on trackers and what they are doing on the web. For consumers, we provide Ghostery. Evidon is able to support Ghostery through our users who choose to opt into the anonymous GhostRank panel, which allows us to make tracker reports and helps to provide organizations like the Better Business Bureau with information that helps them enforce self-regulation. Our mission, as a company, is to make the web more transparent for everyone involved. We strongly believe that making disclosure more transparent will raise the quality of the entire online ecosystem by enabling digital companies to grow and innovate with privacy in mind.
What Evidon is not:

Evidon is not an advertising network or behavioral data collection service.
Evidon doesn’t work to allow advertisers to be more invasive.

Click here to learn more about Evidon's services. Also, check out our blog post about the company's mission and how it relates to Ghostery.
What data does Evidon receive from users who opt-in to GhostRank?

When a user opts-in to GhostRank, Ghostery sends the following information each time a tracker is encountered:

the tracker identified by Ghostery
the blocking state of the tracker
domains identified as serving trackers
the time it takes for the page and the tracker to load
the tracker’s position on the page
the browser in which Ghostery has been installed
Ghostery version information
standard web server log information, such as IP address (we do not store IP addresses) and HTTP headers

What does Evidon do with GhostRank information?

When you enable GhostRank, Ghostery collects anonymous data about the trackers you've encountered and the sites on which they were placed. These data are about tracking elements and the web pages on which they are found, not the individuals who encountered those elements.

Online marketing companies need better visibility into real-world applications of their technologies and those owned by their competitors. GhostRank data helps them market to consumers more transparently, better manage their web properties, and comply with privacy standards.

GhostRank data shared with businesses never includes data about you. To learn about the data that GhostRank collects, click here.

We also publish our own research and provide data to privacy researchers, analysts and journalists. Additionally, organizations like the Better Business Bureau use GhostRank data in the enforcement of privacy standards like the DAA AdChoices program.

To read more about how the Ghostery service supports the Evidon business, read our post The Most Frequently Asked Question.

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Can someone explain to me the benifits of Waterfox over say Google Chrome? I was an avid Firefox user until I started using Google services so now I am pretty much intergrated into that browser for convenience. I just dont see the point of 64 bit browsers...
For many users, there isn't a point.

But a significant number of users will find it extremely useful, because of its one key feature: it doesn't crash if you use many tabs, or data, or script/DOM/other storage, or you hit the 4GB x32 process memory limit. So if you happen to be someone who uses large sessions and you want to keep Firefox's open source vendor neutrality, extension ecosphere, non-tracking (**cough**Google TrackYouChrome**cough**), or process efficiency (**Chromeagain**) a 64 bit build isn't "optional" - it's actually the only way one can use Firefox.

It turns out that in every Mozilla user study on tab use, a significant minority of users do use a browser that way.....

Try opening 700 tabs in Chrome or Firefox 32 bit as some heavy users do (I've got 2400 open here, which is a lot even by heavy user standards), and "oops". So that's the sole reason a person may truly need a 64 bit build, and does apply to a number of users. If it doesn't apply to you, then it's not something your working method needs.

Actually Waterfox is compiled with several 64bit options enabled that a CPU can take advantage of to provide better speed all around.

Not only that but if you are using a 64bit browser by default you should try and use every 64bit version of apps you can as it comes with many options available to be used by a 64bit capable CPU with a 64bit OS that a 32bit environment could not use.

A nice one is the fact you can use more memory on a single app but is far from the only perk you get.
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