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Alex -

First impressions of Waterfox 24 (Ivy Bridge E, Windows 8, plenty of extensions, 1100 tabs, RAM usage 5GB) - seems stable and responsive. Very nice job, well worth the wait! And much appreciated, a 'clean' install as ever, containing the "core" folder and no other runtime or files needed. Thank you for persevering, hopefully the thanks make up for the frustrating delays smile.gif

Hopefully there won't be any surprises a day or a week down the line, but so far the last couple of days, it's been all I could ask of it, and had plenty of chances to fall over (and taken none of them biggrin.gif !)
Edited by Stilez - 10/27/13 at 12:09am
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Originally Posted by kennyparker1337 View Post

Actually Waterfox is compiled with several 64bit options enabled that a CPU can take advantage of to provide better speed all around.

Not only that but if you are using a 64bit browser by default you should try and use every 64bit version of apps you can as it comes with many options available to be used by a 64bit capable CPU with a 64bit OS that a 32bit environment could not use.

A nice one is the fact you can use more memory on a single app but is far from the only perk you get.
True.. but it's the only one which is an absolute.

You may get a few percent faster (and may or may not notice it) with a few tabs using x64 optimisation, and you may notice the savings on context switching and so on.. but those are all a few percent, often invisible unless serious using or analytically testing. The 3 - 4 GB barrier is different, it's an utter absolute - you cannot use x32 Firefox for 4GB sessions without x64 if your workload or working style wishes it. It's not a question of a few percent optional performance tweak - it's an absolute barrier.

So for me, that's in a class of its own as a reason. That said you are right and I overlooked it, many people will want the performance tweak.
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Can someone explain to me the benifits of Waterfox over say Google Chrome? I was an avid Firefox user until I started using Google services so now I am pretty much intergrated into that browser for convenience. I just dont see the point of 64 bit browsers...

I am not a user of hundreds of tabs etc so I don't really need a 64-bit browser.

However, I use Waterfox because I just like the speed of it.

A quick look at Process Explorer shows 90% of the processes running on my PC are 64-bit.

Even phones are starting to go 64-bit with Nvidia, Apple and Samsung all readying 64-bit smartphone processors.

I don't see the point of 32-bit anything on 64-bit systems.
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Can someone explain to me the benifits of Waterfox over say Google Chrome?
Waterfox vs Firefox is discussed above. So looking at Chrome vs Firefox (or any Firefox derivative):

1) Process handling: if you use more than a few tabs, the approach to tab isolation through different processes as used by Google Chrome becomes a serious efficiency disadvantage, especially on the smaller netbooks and mobile devices it's often used with. Context replication and switching is costly in process design terms.
2) Tracking: a lot of people simply don't want to be that plugged into Google's tracking systems. A quick look at "google" in Firefox extensions shows a plethora of "kill google tracking" or "google disconnect" extensions. Frankly Chrome isn't really very trustworthy in respect of privacy.
3) Open source vendor neutrality: a lot of people like to support browsers that focus on user needs not vendor tracking benefits, and which are more likely to support a neutral internet and neutral open market. (Can you see Mozilla removing apps/extensions because they block ads or interfere with Google services? Or limiting apps in ways that get an advantage for themselves like Microsoft and Apple do? Do you think Google's app/extension store will never ever do that?)
4) Configurability: firefox and derivatives are far more configurable and moddable, for those who want it.

Against this:

4) Google make very "clean" products that target the market well; they wouldn't be as successful as they are if they didn't. So they have their finger on the pulse of the market and are very responsive to it. However being sold what is easy, is not always in ones own best interests.......
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Ok, so I understand why you guys are using 64 bit now but I still cannot comprehend how/why you need so many tabs open? I don't even know 1100 websites! lol Explain.

Also, how do you even manage that many? It sounds like it would take about 30 minutes to find the one tab you are looking for...
 
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Ok, so I understand why you guys are using 64 bit now but I still cannot comprehend how/why you need so many tabs open? I don't even know 1100 websites! lol Explain.
What can I say, I use the net heavily on a load of areas rather than just socially on Facebook, Youtube and a bit of Google. Racking up a hundred or so tabs isn't difficult if you are looking for information rather than social use/social sites. Then have a few projects at once because you're multi-tasking too.....

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Also, how do you even manage that many? It sounds like it would take about 30 minutes to find the one tab you are looking for...
How to do it? TabGroups Manager, like this! Candidate for "Almost essential extension for the really heavy tab user", works nice with Firefox and Waterfox 24/25 (there's a 'compatibility' update working on v20+). Pretty useful for lightweight tab use too, to be honest, but shows its real value for heavy use.
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Will waterfox get any updates any time soon?
Firefox 26 beta is about to release soon...
so i was thinking of waterfox 25 ? rolleyes.gif

and somethink else what exactly adblock plus do??
install it or no?
Edited by LocoDiceGR - 10/27/13 at 3:44pm
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Waterfox follows the Firefox stable releases so once Firefox 25 is release waterfox 25 should be released soon after.
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for stop memory leaks for me (I don't understand but works):
- disable many bad add-ons (I have ghostquery, ABP and no memory leak)
- disable newtab (about:newtab)
- disable cache disk

browser.newtabpage.enabled false
browser.cache.disk.enable false
browser.taskbar.previews.enable false (yes this for windows 7 taskbar)
media.autoplay.enabled false (direct download or play in the navigator)

network.dns.disableIPv6 true (FF better broadband)
only this works for me. thumb.gif

I use WF for speed and fluidity. I am never more up than 1Go.
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Has there been any development news regarding version 25? Really would like to see version 25 released due to the security fixes.

MFSA 2013-102 Use-after-free in HTML document templates
MFSA 2013-101 Memory corruption in workers
MFSA 2013-100 Miscellaneous use-after-free issues found through ASAN fuzzing
MFSA 2013-99 Security bypass of PDF.js checks using iframes
MFSA 2013-98 Use-after-free when updating offline cache
MFSA 2013-97 Writing to cycle collected object during image decoding
MFSA 2013-96 Improperly initialized memory and overflows in some JavaScript functions
MFSA 2013-95 Access violation with XSLT and uninitialized data
MFSA 2013-94 Spoofing addressbar though SELECT element
MFSA 2013-93 Miscellaneous memory safety hazards (rv:25.0 / rv:24.1 / rv:17.0.10)
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