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It should release the memory when you close the browser completely, though. No?

Yes, it does release it when I close the whole browser. But that isn't anything that a user would want to do every single time this happens, right? I mean, I use several tabs and this browser couldn't handle it if those tabs are mostly flash-based.
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since winXP at least, windows memory management has shifted to not releasing a programs memory until the program terminates or until another program needs it. this is in case the program needs to use the memory again, it's quicker to reuse it than to release, then reallocate it.

 

thus it is perfectly reasonable that wf will hang on to memory that it has required before, in case you need it again. as long as the wf memory manager does in fact reuse it rather than just add to it's allocation. 'free memory' is a red herring, free memory is memory that is not used. might as well just pull a couple of GB of memory boards & lay them on top of the PC - it'll always be free then. 'maximizing' free memory just slows down the pc.

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Originally Posted by kevindd992002 View Post

Why is my WF34 not detecting that an upgrade is available, again? This is on three computers already.

 

Again? This isn't good at all. Would it be possible to get a screenshot of about:config if you filter it to app.update.

 

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I don't know why, but after running Waterfox 35 as Administrator and going to Netflix I was able to play a movie without issue. This after trying before doing so, not as Administrator, and having no luck in viewing ANY movie, tv show, or other on Netflix. Every subsequent time after running Mozilla as Administrator, this is after closing WF from the Admin session, Netflix has run fine. No "reinstall Silverlight" and no deleting files..it has just run fine. Why would that be? I have not altered anything, file or setting, and only running WF in Administrator mode once...closed it after clearing cache...then re-opening it.

I got the idea from a college IT dept support forum. I have rebooted as well and still am able to play Netflix without issue, which is great, but why would such a thing fix it?

 

That's very interesting...I wonder if it's something to do with Silverlight?

 

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Updating the Waterfox codebase to 35.0.1! Should be available very soon.
Great Mr.Alex.. Looking forward to it. smile.gif

 

Just doing some internal testing. Shouldn't be long now, I'll do a quick test build.

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My Waterfox doesn't update..When opening the "About Waterfox" tab , it says its up to date..What's up with that ? headscratch.gif

Oh dear same issue as above. Would you mind going to about:config, typing app.update and then take a screenshot of the list of options that come up.

 

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Link http://1drv.ms/1vaiJpz can't be opened in Waterfox 35.

Seems to be an issue with MS. I'm contacting them to see if there is something they can do to solve it.
Is there news?

 

No reply yet. Think I'll post to their forums instead.

 

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Thanks to to all for your replies!!!

I managed to pin it down to a mix of HTTPS Everywhere extension bug; and the FlashBlock extension somehow blocking silverlight.

After disabling both extensions on the Add-Ons menu, everything started working perfectly!!!!!

I will post again if something else breaks. (hope not...)

Mr.Alex keep up the good work!!!!!

 

Ah great, glad you've sorted it out!

 

 

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Is there a way to force the Intel drivers to use Waterfox instead of NVIDIA?
There is, but it prevents me from watching videos above 30 FPS for 480p or lower or above 20 FPS above 480P resolution. (the integrated in my chip is the bottom of the barrel, and barely works to run Win 7 without special effects)

 

Oh wow okay I see. Hmm another dead end. I'll look through GPU related bug reports to see what configuration options there are.

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Did MrAlex finalize the latest Waterfox build? Test builds have to be installed manually.

Yes, he did. Generally, when you see the title of this thread change to the newest build then that there is already a finalized build. Additionally, you can go to his official website and will noticed the 35.0 is already downloadable there. His test builds never go into that site. The WF version that I have that are not updating are still 34.0. I had to manually download it from his website and do the upgrade.

And by the way, I can't believe that WF 35.0 still has a memory leak issue. I even encountered a 4GB RAM usage yesterday while I was opening several Tweaktown articles. I'm not sure why when you close a certain tab it doesn't release the used memory?

 

Here's what I wrote about memory allocation in another support forum. I'm not an export on it as it's a huge subject, but I've tried to do my research so apologies for any mistakes and the likes:

 

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There are certain trade-offs with 64-Bit programs. The main issue is that registers are now twice as big compared to 32-Bit programs (I believe 16 instead of 8) which means by default memory usage will increase due to the amount of data stored in memory. This also leads to more cache misses because the program will now have 64-bit pointers as well. [1]

In version 34, Waterfox used tcmalloc, the memory allocator that Google Chrome uses and various other applications. What Google did with the malloc is that it tries to predict your memory usage which sometimes means it doesn't release memory back to the system properly.

I switched to Intel's thread building blocks memory allocator in 35 because tcmalloc isn't supported properly for 64-Bit and the generated DLL wouldn't register with the installer meaning sometimes people would get an error message saying it couldn't be found, but the program would start anyway.

Intel's malloc also has its own issues. It's designed for scalable, multi-threaded applications which a lot of the Firefox codebase is. But there are certain parts that aren't multi-threaded, such as JavaScript DOM events. [2].

I would use jemalloc, but when compiling with Intel's C++ compiler it causes WebGL to crash and I won't use the built in allocator Mozilla use because it's been found to be vulnerable to attacks (which is why jemalloc is used now) and is very leaky.

These are the reasons I've found memory usage to be high, but it's not all dreary as this increased memory consumption also lets Waterfox has its increase in performance.

    
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Oh dear same issue as above. Would you mind going to about:config, typing app.update and then take a screenshot of the list of options that come up.
Well,here's mine : Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
   
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Yes, he did. Generally, when you see the title of this thread change to the newest build then that there is already a finalized build. Additionally, you can go to his official website and will noticed the 35.0 is already downloadable there. His test builds never go into that site. The WF version that I have that are not updating are still 34.0. I had to manually download it from his website and do the upgrade.

And by the way, I can't believe that WF 35.0 still has a memory leak issue. I even encountered a 4GB RAM usage yesterday while I was opening several Tweaktown articles. I'm not sure why when you close a certain tab it doesn't release the used memory?

Thanks kevindd992002.

In that case my waterfox is not recognizing the update either. I am still on wf 34.0.1 and the "About" screen states I have the latest version.

Here is an image of my App Update:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

Edited by chorse - 2/3/15 at 5:58am
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Originally Posted by MrAlex View Post

Again? This isn't good at all. Would it be possible to get a screenshot of about:config if you filter it to app.update.

Is the post from mAs81 enough for this issue?
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Here's what I wrote about memory allocation in another support forum. I'm not an export on it as it's a huge subject, but I've tried to do my research so apologies for any mistakes and the likes:

Thanks for the explanation. I totally get that. I mean I'm all for increased memory usage IF it increased the performance of the browser. But in my case, it doesn't. As long as the memory usage starts increasing, the browser will be VERY laggy and that's what I really don't understand. As long as I open multiple flash-based tabs simultaneously then this issue starts exhibiting itself. What do you think is causing this?
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Well,here's mine : Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Don't know if that matters , but I have synced through Firefox sync ,my desktop's Waterfox to my netbook's 32bit Firefox..but I've been having the same problem even before..

Waterfox won't update further than 34.0.1
   
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Okay so it doesn't appear to be any of the config settings preventing the update.  If anyone with the auto update issue could do the following steps it'd be greatly appreciated:

 

  1. Go to about:config
  2. Search for app.update.log and set it to true
  3. Make sure you haven't got any live webpages open, preferably just have a blank tab open
  4. Open up the browser console by pressing Ctrl+Shift+J
  5. With the console open, have About Waterfox open (where you check for updates)
  6. Let me know what the log output says either with text output or a pic like so:
  7. Anything related to the automatic update will have the AUS prefix.

 

 

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Again? This isn't good at all. Would it be possible to get a screenshot of about:config if you filter it to app.update.

Is the post from mAs81 enough for this issue?
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Here's what I wrote about memory allocation in another support forum. I'm not an export on it as it's a huge subject, but I've tried to do my research so apologies for any mistakes and the likes:

Thanks for the explanation. I totally get that. I mean I'm all for increased memory usage IF it increased the performance of the browser. But in my case, it doesn't. As long as the memory usage starts increasing, the browser will be VERY laggy and that's what I really don't understand. As long as I open multiple flash-based tabs simultaneously then this issue starts exhibiting itself. What do you think is causing this?

 

Hmm okay does sound like the memory allocation is out of control. I'll have a look to see what I can do!

    
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Hmm okay does sound like the memory allocation is out of control. I'll have a look to see what I can do!

Here's my app.update.log:

AUS:SVC Checker: checkForUpdates, force: true
AUS:SVC Checker:getUpdateURL - update URL: https://www.waterfoxproject.org/update/win64/34.0.1/en-US/release/update.xml?force=1
AUS:SVC recordInHealthReport - updateCheckStart - 0
AUS:SVC Checker:checkForUpdates - sending request to: https://www.waterfoxproject.org/update/win64/34.0.1/en-US/release/update.xml?force=1
syntax error update.xml:1
AUS:SVC Checker:onLoad - request completed downloading document
AUS:SVC Checker:_updates get - unexpected node name!
AUS:SVC Checker:onLoad - there was a problem checking for updates. Exception: Error: Unexpected node name, expected: updates, got: parsererror
AUS:SVC Checker:onLoad - request.status: 404
AUS:SVC getStatusTextFromCode - transfer error: Update XML file not found (404), code: 404
AUS:SVC recordInHealthReport - updateCheckFailed - 1404

Thanks. Yes, I hope you really can fix this as this is the single problem I have with FF/WF. It's really a major one though.
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I'm at work now an can't post my update settings..I'll do it when I get home,unfortunately tomorrow..

Thanks for looking into this MrAlex..
   
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