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Isn't regular firefox 64 bit now, why people still using waterfox?

MrAlex often tries to implement features that are present in newer CPUs, which means tweaking the compiling of WF to try and make it speedier than regular FF 64bit at the cost of possibly not supporting older CPUs.

Remember, very technically, FF 64bit should be able to run on a Socket 939 Athlon64 CPU as well as the latest and greatest Core i7s. smile.gif

The main issue I have found is that to support this kind of speed WF can be rather memory-intensive (depending on the site), so be prepared for it to use around 1 MB 1GB of RAM after a while of browing image-heavy sites. smile.gif
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MrAlex often tries to implement features that are present in newer CPUs, which means tweaking the compiling of WF to try and make it speedier than regular FF 64bit at the cost of possibly not supporting older CPUs.

Remember, very technically, FF 64bit should be able to run on a Socket 939 Athlon64 CPU as well as the latest and greatest Core i7s. smile.gif

The main issue I have found is that to support this kind of speed WF can be rather memory-intensive (depending on the site), so be prepared for it to use around 1 MB of RAM after a while of browing image-heavy sites. smile.gif

You mean 1GB, right?
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Originally Posted by Quantum Reality View Post

MrAlex often tries to implement features that are present in newer CPUs, which means tweaking the compiling of WF to try and make it speedier than regular FF 64bit at the cost of possibly not supporting older CPUs.

Remember, very technically, FF 64bit should be able to run on a Socket 939 Athlon64 CPU as well as the latest and greatest Core i7s. smile.gif

The main issue I have found is that to support this kind of speed WF can be rather memory-intensive (depending on the site), so be prepared for it to use around 1 MB of RAM after a while of browing image-heavy sites. smile.gif

You mean 1GB, right?

Whoops! quite right. redface.gif
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Hey guys, so thought I might give you a head up on what I've been working on for the last few months. The ideas for this actually started around the time Storm was released last year but in typical start-up fashion it was managed really bad and ended up failing, the ideas on the other hand were still good so I'm going to go at this solo and would appreciate any feedback.

 

  • Try and eliminate or minimise as much as possible browser fingerprinting (by utilising Tor button)
  • Switch to compilation with mingw-w64 and Clang which would mean making Windows builds on Linux, which would allow me to utilise Gitian as well as faster build times :-)
  • Set up SSH servers and offer SSH tunneling to them (essentially as an alternative to VPN/Tor routing, but this may be quite difficult to do..I'll have to think of a way to prove that the SSH servers aren't logging anything/collecting anything possibly by using Gitian and depends if people even want this)
  • Bring this to iOS/Android

 

Am I missing anything? Any other suggestions would be appreciated!

 


 

Also I do apologies for not having any replies after the release of 48.0.2...I thought I had replied :o.

 

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Originally Posted by Prime2515102 View Post

I'm currently using Waterfox v48.0.2.

When the box "Tell me when a website asks to store data for offline use" is checked, I never get notifications, yet there is data being stored for offline use for several sites.

I don't remember this notification ever working in any version of Waterfox or Firefox so this is not version specific.

Otherwise, 48.0.2 is working perfectly for me.

P.S. About Flash player always being on...

I had to disable it first for the "always ask" selection to become available on the add-ons page (i.e. only enable and disable were showing, I clicked disable, then always ask became available). Since then it asks me every time (except when I click enable and remember of course).

Maybe that will help people with that problem.

 

Can you recreate that offline data storage problem with Firefox as well? If so, might be a browser bug.

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Mr. Alex,

I just Updated Waterfox.
I launched Waterfox, went to "Help", "About Waterfox", clicked on "Apply Update..." and it updated.

So far no problems, except that after restarting Waterfox the "Apply Update" is still showing,
even though ver. 49.0.1 shows up in the "About Waterfox" pop up window.

If I come across any more issues I will let you know.

A Big Thank You!!!

 

Glad to hear it works! Also that'll happen since you're on the test update URL and I've removed browser build IDs from the update.xml.

 

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Weird. Never got an update notice for 49.0.1 but this afternoon got one for 49.0.2 which was successfully installed updating from 48.0.2. Like I said... weird.

 

Delayed 49.0.1 auto-update since I had a few issues needing to be fixed :-)

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Weird. Never got an update notice for 49.0.1 but this afternoon got one for 49.0.2 which was successfully installed updating from 48.0.2. Like I said... weird.

Not weird. The auto update of WF has been on and off for the past few years. It was never stable across several version iterations. Not sure why ot can't be fixed.

@All

Is Electrolysis already enabled? I thought it should be turned on during the September release of FF?

 

It's not broken, I'm just always hesitant to release them for a couple of days after to make sure there aren't any glaring issues. It seems that no-one really reports issues until the auto-update comes live anyway though haha.

 

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Originally Posted by spinFX View Post

Isn't regular firefox 64 bit now, why people still using waterfox?

 

Well for the reasons above and also from what you can find here:

 

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  • No Adobe DRM
  • No Pocket
  • No data collection
  • Run every 64-Bit plugin
  • Run every Add-On (even unsigned ones!)
  • Windows XP 64-Bit Support
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Mr. Alex,

I just Updated Waterfox to 49.0.2
I launched Waterfox, went to "Help", "About Waterfox", clicked on "Apply Update..." and it updated.

After restarting Waterfox the "Apply Update" is showing correct version, 49.0.2 in "About Waterfox" pop up window.

If I come across any more issues I will let you know.

 Awesome, thank you!

 

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Quote:
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Isn't regular firefox 64 bit now, why people still using waterfox?

MrAlex often tries to implement features that are present in newer CPUs, which means tweaking the compiling of WF to try and make it speedier than regular FF 64bit at the cost of possibly not supporting older CPUs.

Remember, very technically, FF 64bit should be able to run on a Socket 939 Athlon64 CPU as well as the latest and greatest Core i7s. smile.gif

The main issue I have found is that to support this kind of speed WF can be rather memory-intensive (depending on the site), so be prepared for it to use around 1 MB 1GB of RAM after a while of browing image-heavy sites. smile.gif

 

Well the switch to Clang should be much more efficient with memory usage :D

    
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So when will Electrolysis be enabled permanently?
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So when will Electrolysis be enabled permanently?

When Firefox enable it I suppose.

    
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When Firefox enable it I suppose.

I thought this was supposed to be last September?

I also have an issue with WF that's been bugging me for years and it's happening on different computers. I may have told you this a few months ago but sometimes my setting for Privacy history will just go from "Remember History" to "Custom" without my knowledge. Another setting that does this is the "Remember login for sites", sometimes it just becomes unchecked. These are the only two that do this kind of behavior and it's very very annoying. I notice this only when the username and password fields in most sites do not auto-fill as I expect them to do.

Any ideas?
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Hey guys, so thought I might give you a head up on what I've been working on for the last few months. The ideas for this actually started around the time Storm was released last year but in typical start-up fashion it was managed really bad and ended up failing, the ideas on the other hand were still good so I'm going to go at this solo and would appreciate any feedback.
  • Try and eliminate or minimise as much as possible browser fingerprinting (by utilising Tor button)
  • Switch to compilation with mingw-w64 and Clang which would mean making Windows builds on Linux, which would allow me to utilise Gitian as well as faster build times :-)
  • Set up SSH servers and offer SSH tunneling to them (essentially as an alternative to VPN/Tor routing, but this may be quite difficult to do..I'll have to think of a way to prove that the SSH servers aren't logging anything/collecting anything possibly by using Gitian and depends if people even want this)
  • Bring this to iOS/Android

Am I missing anything? Any other suggestions would be appreciated!

One thing you might be interested in is letting people know about the CanvasBlocker extension:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/canvasblocker/

Pale Moon implements something like this natively, but Waterfox should be fine with the extension since it's a build off the latest codebase.

I definiitely applaud your pro-privacy stance here, and would again request that you include an installation option allowing users to granularly pick which about:config privacy settings they'd like enabled, e.g.

Disable network prefetch and speculative loading?
Change default search engine to (list of engines e.g. DuckDuckGo, etc)

and then something like "the recommended defaults have been pre-selected"

(I know I originally suggested just one checkbox here, but people should have more flexibility in picking and choosing, I think.)

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EDIT

ALSO

I've also seen repeated complaints that Firefox doesn't run like Chrome or even IE does which is to purposely run with reduced permissions regarding the filesystem so an exploit can't affect system files.

http://www.howtogeek.com/165264/heres-why-firefox-is-still-years-behind-google-chrome/

I don't know if you can "harden" WF at all regarding blocking access to critical system files by making Windows run WF with reduced privileges but if it's possible that would be a great defence in depth.

http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/04/noscript-and-other-popular-firefox-add-ons-open-millions-to-new-attack/

I know WF allows unsigned add-ons to be installed, but maybe a warning message to a user as a mild defence in depth would be in order: "The extension you want to install is not signed. Proceed anyway? Y/N"
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I thought this was supposed to be last September?

I also have an issue with WF that's been bugging me for years and it's happening on different computers. I may have told you this a few months ago but sometimes my setting for Privacy history will just go from "Remember History" to "Custom" without my knowledge. Another setting that does this is the "Remember login for sites", sometimes it just becomes unchecked. These are the only two that do this kind of behavior and it's very very annoying. I notice this only when the username and password fields in most sites do not auto-fill as I expect them to do.

Any ideas?

Nevermind. The culprit was the effin' Trend Micro Password Manager.
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When Firefox enable it I suppose.

It disables when there are addons that are incompatible.

If you force enable it, the browser goes to hell with problems, bad lag and page rendering/displaying issues (eg. blank or session restore = blank pages).

 

Forgotten what this addon is called,  but this is what it does:

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