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The fact that your task manager is also freezing lets you know you have something else going on with your computer.
I am using the same proc. as you also running at 4Ghz and same amount of ram and not seeing anything like you are.Don't know what motherboard your using as you didn't post it (an Asus for this one) and even posting this from it now but WF goes up to almost 2GB usage after running for awhile but 2-3% of processor usage max with no freezes besides that slight delay the 1st time flash starts which is occurring on any browser I use. Suggest you look at any memory 'speedup' programs you have used or even your BIOS settings as something is messing with your memory allocation settings.
Also try going here http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=30679 go the 2nd one down and download and run it. I did and it seems to make several things smoother and have run into no compatibility problems with anything compiled in the new VS2012. Someone said Microsoft update dealt with this in the latest updates but I didn't see it,only security issues. Hope this helps thumb.gif


freezes here (previous version didn't)

currently at the moment it goes from 3-5% usage all the way up to over 30% randomly..
other browsers and software do NOT freeze or spike and if waterfox is not running there are no spikes so I HIGHLY doubt it is the PC
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Hey, no worries! I never complain about good advice. smile.gif
I came back to XP x64 after I figured out that Vista is bollocks and that I don't like 7 - don't like its GUI and certainly don't like it taking me by the hand in some regards and "hiding" things from me in others. And it takes way to long for my taste to set it up properly when compared to XP.

Driver support and stability is good though and I recommend it to those people, who don't want to think (or know) too much about maintenance and can live with the "altered" (but not improved) handling.

All of this is my personal opinion. So don't even think about starting an argument! wink.gif

On the other hand I wanted a "better" Windows than XP SP3 and had tested x64 some (long) time ago - with rather bad results. But now this changed completely with SP2 and Windows Update Downloader.

More than 3.5 Gigs of RAM are supported, 64-bit software runs without problems and there are a number of improvements compared to 32-bit XP. And it handles (nearly) exactly the same as XP. Pretty fast too.
And thank you for that! (If I haven't done so before.)
OK.
I see. Too bad that Microsoft is worming its way out of this problem the usual way - by not improving and leaving it alone.

Oh, well, maybe some community will come up with a fix.

Until a year ago I even allowed my vintage system with Windows 2000 to go online (rarely though) as there were people out there adapting current security patches and even fixes for that (now) ancient OS.

win7's not to bad once you tweak it.. mines pretty much like my old XP install... replaced the start menu to the classic and all, classic theme.. enough people hated the whole vista/7 look that programs and work arounds were created...
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Yeah, I am aware of that.
Point is, I am not the only one who wants to stay with XP x64 (have a google if you don't believe me). So is Alex going to keep it that way ("can't be fixed & Microsoft is responsible") or will he try to find a solution IF ONE COMES UP. (BTW: I certainly won't blame him if goes the easy route. It's his effort all the way.)

I won't die if there's no solution for Waterfox, I'm just using another 64-bit browser. It's not about having no option, just convenience.
So, what you're basically telling me is, that if you'd compile it with one of the older versions of vs, it should still work?

Or you could get the same source code MrAlex uses and see if it will still compile on VS 2010.
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win7's not to bad once you tweak it..

Yeah, I know. Point is, it takes like HOURS to tweak it the way I like it. And the advantages (more RAM supported, 64-bit etc.) are not really felt under normal circumstances.
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enough people hated the whole vista/7 look that programs and work arounds were created...

Classic Shell, I know.

Well, since nobody asked yet - XP x64 is only on ONE of my systems, while the others all have 7. But I'm pretty much into keeping the "loner" as long as it works.
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Or you could get the same source code MrAlex uses and see if it will still compile on VS 2010.

Yep, that's pretty much what I was suggesting. Point is though, it's his effort with the source code and all, so he's the one to decide.
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freezes here (previous version didn't)

currently at the moment it goes from 3-5% usage all the way up to over 30% randomly..
other browsers and software do NOT freeze or spike and if waterfox is not running there are no spikes so I HIGHLY doubt it is the PC

Exactly what's happening with me. I even applied the VS2012 C++ update, to no avail.

And I see now that this "oscillation" of CPU spiking happens right from the start -- right after opening Waterfox, with no tabs open, it's jumping back and forth between 30% CPU usage. No idea why it's spiking like this. Obviously some kind of bug :/
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Exactly what's happening with me. I even applied the VS2012 C++ update, to no avail.

And I see now that this "oscillation" of CPU spiking happens right from the start -- right after opening Waterfox, with no tabs open, it's jumping back and forth between 30% CPU usage. No idea why it's spiking like this. Obviously some kind of bug :/

Huh! I've never had problems - I think it's because I have the quad core + HT turned on, so CPU usage spikes don't slow my system down as badly.



But yeah, I see what people are talking about.
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I get the same problem.

Sitting here doing nothing at the moment, and the CPU usage spikes between 2-3% and 20-30%.
Not noticed any kind of pattern to when it happens, but mainly noticed it on f.ex YouTube and Facebook, as it makes the browser feel slow.
Got java and flash updated to the newest version.

Sitting on a hexacore with HT so it's not too noticeable in other programs etc, as it doesn't make everything freeze up as the others are experiencing.
The graphs in the picture can be a bit off cause of other processes, but the spikes are generally related to Waterfox. I have Waterfox set to use core 5 (6 if you start counting at 1). The second core on the second row.

I got 38 tabs open at the moment. I do tend to average 30-50 tabs. Of course, this number can vary a lot still, as sometimes I close 90% of the tabs to get it down to a manageable level, or sometimes I have to open even more cause of work.

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After reading your specific sites spiking your usage I tried to duplicate by having many tabs open,40+ at one point with facebook open and multiple tabs of youtube vid's actively playing and must say I can't get the spikes or the usage you guys are seeing. Tried it on several systems from my newest i7-3770K to an old i7 and even a early core two duo plus 2 AMD based systems, both off and on the network (isolated to the modem themselves,or with several on the network at the same time).And still run 2-3% up to 18% if I really have tons of stuff running.
One thing I don't have that you mention is java,as they've out out advisories from the US homeland security section I have disabled,removed it from all my machines except the little bit built in to Firefox/WF. And I find I don't miss it a bit,anything that I need to run can and many sites give you the choice to run either java or flash and I just choose the flash.
Hopefully someone will isolate the problem you guys are having but can you try disabling all your java and see if you still get it?Curious and I'm not putting it back on my systems. If that doesn't work hopefully someone will find out whats going on for you.
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Disabled every extension, closed every tab except this one, disabled java.

At the moment it's using between 0.1-1.5% cpu, but it still spikes to 10-15% at times.

--

Made a new blank profile, let it stay at the About Waterfox page.

It's at 0% constantly, spikes to 3.5%-4% every 13-15 seconds. Which seems to be when garbage collection is running in the background. After about 10 min it started slowing down to spiking to 1.5-2.5%, and not at 13-15 sec intervals as earlier.

--

Enabled everything again now, with my original profile, 0.1-1% cpu usage with no spikes for about 3 min. Suddenly started spiking to 4-6% now.

From error log with javascript.options.mem.log set to True:


(5.7% spike)
GC(T+194.2) Total Time: 39.6ms, Compartments Collected: 270, Total Compartments: 270, MMU (20ms): 29%, MMU (50ms): 71%, SCC Sweep Total: 6.3ms, SCC Sweep Max Pause: 1.8ms, Max Pause: 14.1ms, Allocated: 59MB, +Chunks: 0, -Chunks: 0
Slice: 0, Pause: 10.5 (When: 0.0ms, Reason: PAGE_HIDE): Mark: 9.5ms, Mark Discard Code: 0.6ms, Mark Roots: 3.4ms
Slice: 4, Pause: 0.2 (When: 434.9ms, Reason: INTER_SLICE_GC): Sweep: 0.1ms
Totals: Mark: 26.0ms, Mark Discard Code: 0.6ms, Mark Roots: 3.4ms, Mark Gray: 2.5ms, Sweep: 9.6ms, Sweep Atoms: 2.1ms, Sweep Compartments: 4.0ms, Sweep Tables: 2.0ms, Sweep Object: 1.6ms, Sweep String: 0.2ms, Sweep Script: 0.3ms, Sweep Shape: 1.7ms, Sweep Discard Code: 0.4ms, Discard Analysis: 1.3ms, Sweep Types: 0.7ms, Clear Script Analysis: 0.2ms, Finalize End Callback: 1.0ms

CC(T+194.2) duration: 30ms, suspected: 3846, visited: 11181 RCed and 9305 GCed, collected: 10539 RCed and 9129 GCed (19668 waiting for GC)
ForgetSkippable 7 times before CC, min: 0 ms, max: 2 ms, avg: 0 ms, total: 5 ms, removed: 37066


(4.7% spike)
GC(T+198.7) Total Time: 36.6ms, Compartments Collected: 266, Total Compartments: 266, MMU (20ms): 33%, MMU (50ms): 73%, SCC Sweep Total: 5.9ms, SCC Sweep Max Pause: 1.3ms, Max Pause: 13.3ms, Allocated: 58MB, +Chunks: 0, -Chunks: 0
Slice: 0, Pause: 10.3 (When: 0.0ms, Reason: CC_WAITING): Mark: 9.6ms, Mark Discard Code: 0.4ms, Mark Roots: 3.1ms
Slice: 4, Pause: 0.2 (When: 438.4ms, Reason: INTER_SLICE_GC): Sweep: 0.1ms
Totals: Mark: 24.1ms, Mark Discard Code: 0.4ms, Mark Roots: 3.1ms, Mark Gray: 1.2ms, Sweep: 8.9ms, Sweep Atoms: 2.2ms, Sweep Compartments: 3.6ms, Sweep Tables: 1.7ms, Sweep Object: 1.5ms, Sweep String: 0.1ms, Sweep Script: 0.2ms, Sweep Shape: 1.7ms, Sweep Discard Code: 0.4ms, Discard Analysis: 1.2ms, Sweep Types: 0.7ms, Clear Script Analysis: 0.2ms, Finalize End Callback: 0.6ms

CC(T+199.0) duration: 13ms, suspected: 5922, visited: 476 RCed and 176 GCed, collected: 0 RCed and 0 GCed (0 waiting for GC)
ForgetSkippable 3 times before CC, min: 1 ms, max: 2 ms, avg: 1 ms, total: 4 ms, removed: 7875


However, if I let the browser idle with nothing happening after it finished the final GC, it would stop at 0% use and not spike at all until I started using the browser again.

I guess for me personally one of the issues would be related to having some graphs that are work-related that update every 3-5 seconds, which in turn would make GC have to do a lot more work than just idling. And with 35-50 tabs open I guess that would make it spike even more.

Though, still, 3-6% spike with only one tab open and all I am doing is writing this message is also quite high.
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