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At 50+ plus tabs, you could be running into CPU and Memory problems due to being overworked.
It takes a lot of resources to keep open 50+ tabs.
Oh, I don't know about that.........

Waterfox has been rock solid for me. And 50 tabs doesn't need much even if he's using a 5 year old PC. RAM is the biggie, if it's thrashing page files then thats a problem.


(Anyway, isn't that why people use x64 builds in the first place? Because they have workflows or preferred usage patterns involving heavy tab use? Mozilla studies regularly show a small but significant segment of users like this. 50 tabs is close to nothing on a recent i5 or i7 - a heavy tab user might open that many just to find a single item on EBay or read the news at lunch, or (as Reality says) for documents and reference information.)

I must be weird then as I have rarely ever had over 10 tabs open.

Most of the navigation needed of be done can be done on the same tab.

I've never had to have more than 10 webpages constantly open to check for updates.

Oh well, at least that's one less problem I have to deal with ^_^.

So far the only problem I currently have is Flash videos sometime crash, but a simple reload restores them.
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Originally Posted by Stilez View Post

Oh, I don't know about that.........

Waterfox has been rock solid for me. And 50 tabs doesn't need much even if he's using a 5 year old PC. RAM is the biggie, if it's thrashing page files then thats a problem.


(Anyway, isn't that why people use x64 builds in the first place? Because they have workflows or preferred usage patterns involving heavy tab use? Mozilla studies regularly show a small but significant segment of users like this. 50 tabs is close to nothing on a recent i5 or i7 - a heavy tab user might open that many just to find a single item on EBay or read the news at lunch, or (as Reality says) for documents and reference information.)

My laptop is pretty high-end. Sager NP8130 with an i7-2670QM (Sandy Bridge) CPU and 8GB Kingson HyperX 1600MHz RAM. I even use an Crucial M4 SSD with it and a GeForce GTX 560M so I'm pretty much sure that I'm not limited by hardware.

I haven't tried using my sig rig yet with these amount of tabs open because I'm in the process of overclocking it, but that isn't the point smile.gif

I've read a lot of problems in Google regarding Firefox opened with lots of tabs, mainly with Flash videos. Youtube videos just keeps on stuttering and that is evident when you "Show Video Info", you will notice lots of frames skipped.

Edit: Oh and by the way, how did I know that the multiple tabs/tab groups were the cause of the Flash problems? Because when I shift to private browsing and play the exact same Youtube Flash video it runs smoothly and there is exaclty 0 dropped frames compared to the previous playback where hundereds of frames were dropped.
Edited by kevindd992002 - 2/22/13 at 11:48pm
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Originally Posted by kennyparker1337 View Post

At 50+ plus tabs, you could be running into CPU and Memory problems due to being overworked.
It takes a lot of resources to keep open 50+ tabs.
One of the reasons I switched to Waterfox in the first place was I often had so many tabs open that Firefox would crash when it exceeded the 4GB memory limit.

Currently have 186 tabs open and Waterfox 16.0.1 is using under 1GB memory. It's likely worth noting though that since the introduction of the feature, I've always had "Don't load tabs until selected" ticked under Options -> Tabs and that I don't tend to have activated all the tabs every browsing session.

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Someone else was also on about Microstutters with Firefox/Waterfox? I've never had any issues with this until Waterfox 18.0.1 was introduced, and reverting back to 16.0.1 resolved that issue for me. If you've always had them, I'm wondering if it's perhaps an addon that causes it rather than FF/WF itself?
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just tried having 3 tab groups with 50+ tabs open in each on this machine I'm using now running Win 7. No microfreezes or even small lags. Don't know what the difference between what you guys are doing than I but I'm not seeing it.
And I have to agree with Kenny,I'm a heavy user but don't know why you would need that many tabs open all at the same time.What can you focus on thats so important you can't open it later?Many ways in FF to get to things quickly when you need to.

You must not be a programmer wink.gif

I rarely ever have less than 100-150 tabs open -- cross-referencings, documentation, forum threads, etc etc. I wouldn't be able to survive without my favorite addon of all time, Treestyle Tabs -- the ONLY way to mass tab smile.gif

There used to be an add-on worth its weight in gold, called BarTab. It had the most holy of holy features of not only being able to not load tabs until selected (now a native feature of Firefox, which was copied from this addon), but most important of all -- tabs that weren't used after X amount of minutes were unloaded from memory. When you eventually did go back to the tab, it would reload as if you were just jumping to the page.

It's a most brilliant add-on, but unfortunately, the developer stopped developing it. I believe it's because he got hired on at Mozilla.

Anyway, if anyone knows of any alternative addon to BarTab (or know someone who could pickup the reigns in development), that would be most wondrous. The addon still technically works with current versions of browsers, including the latest Waterfox, but it has a couple bugs -- namely, when a tab gets unloaded, it doesn't auto-reload when you jump back to it. You have to manually reload the page yourself. A minor inconvenience.

The other bug seems to be a disk-thrashing issue, where it seems to be choking on the paging of sites to disk. It's not conclusive if this is the addon's fault, and I'm not privy to how one could precisely deduce what's specifically at fault.
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Originally Posted by JayBart View Post

just tried having 3 tab groups with 50+ tabs open in each on this machine I'm using now running Win 7. No microfreezes or even small lags. Don't know what the difference between what you guys are doing than I but I'm not seeing it.
And I have to agree with Kenny,I'm a heavy user but don't know why you would need that many tabs open all at the same time.What can you focus on thats so important you can't open it later?Many ways in FF to get to things quickly when you need to.

You must not be a programmer wink.gif

I am though and I have never needed more than 15 tabs open. I only get to that point when I have tabs open that I just used for quick navigation and are no longer needed.

But to each their own. If you want that many tabs open so be it. But it still uses a lot of resources to keep so many tabs open. I'm not talking solely about memory.
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Originally Posted by Coldblackice View Post

I rarely ever have less than 100-150 tabs open -- cross-referencings, documentation, forum threads, etc etc. I wouldn't be able to survive without my favorite addon of all time, Treestyle Tabs -- the ONLY way to mass tab smile.gif

There used to be an add-on worth its weight in gold, called BarTab. It had the most holy of holy features of not only being able to not load tabs until selected (now a native feature of Firefox, which was copied from this addon), but most important of all -- tabs that weren't used after X amount of minutes were unloaded from memory. When you eventually did go back to the tab, it would reload as if you were just jumping to the page.

It's a most brilliant add-on, but unfortunately, the developer stopped developing it. I believe it's because he got hired on at Mozilla.

Anyway, if anyone knows of any alternative addon to BarTab (or know someone who could pickup the reigns in development), that would be most wondrous. The addon still technically works with current versions of browsers, including the latest Waterfox, but it has a couple bugs -- namely, when a tab gets unloaded, it doesn't auto-reload when you jump back to it. You have to manually reload the page yourself. A minor inconvenience.

The other bug seems to be a disk-thrashing issue, where it seems to be choking on the paging of sites to disk. It's not conclusive if this is the addon's fault, and I'm not privy to how one could precisely deduce what's specifically at fault.

And there in lies the cause of most problems. Addons.

If an addon's code causes conflicts with the browser or is written with poor code then you will get bugs.

You should always disable all addons and slowly enable each one by one to determine if an addon is not causing the issues you have.
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Most tabs i ever had open was 1263 on 2012-12-19. I use TabMixPlus and SessionManagr and with 16 there are no problems.
But its not the tabs or Add-ons. I have the stuttering also with no Add-ons, not so many tabs and a fresh profile.
I always have a default profile that i can use to check if its a Add-on if i have problems.
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Originally Posted by MrGlasspoole View Post

Most tabs i ever had open was 1263 on 2012-12-19. I use TabMixPlus and SessionManagr and with 16 there are no problems.
But its not the tabs or Add-ons. I have the stuttering also with no Add-ons, not so many tabs and a fresh profile.
I always have a default profile that i can use to check if its a Add-on if i have problems.

What do you think my problem is then?
post #4848 of 7341
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Originally Posted by Coldblackice View Post

You must not be a programmer wink.gif

I rarely ever have less than 100-150 tabs open -- cross-referencings, documentation, forum threads, etc etc. I wouldn't be able to survive without my favorite addon of all time, Treestyle Tabs -- the ONLY way to mass tab smile.gif

There used to be an add-on worth its weight in gold, called BarTab. It had the most holy of holy features of not only being able to not load tabs until selected (now a native feature of Firefox, which was copied from this addon), but most important of all -- tabs that weren't used after X amount of minutes were unloaded from memory. When you eventually did go back to the tab, it would reload as if you were just jumping to the page.

It's a most brilliant add-on, but unfortunately, the developer stopped developing it. I believe it's because he got hired on at Mozilla.

Anyway, if anyone knows of any alternative addon to BarTab (or know someone who could pickup the reigns in development), that would be most wondrous. The addon still technically works with current versions of browsers, including the latest Waterfox, but it has a couple bugs -- namely, when a tab gets unloaded, it doesn't auto-reload when you jump back to it. You have to manually reload the page yourself. A minor inconvenience.

The other bug seems to be a disk-thrashing issue, where it seems to be choking on the paging of sites to disk. It's not conclusive if this is the addon's fault, and I'm not privy to how one could precisely deduce what's specifically at fault.

Actually I am smile.gif and I still don't have more than 10 or 12 tabs open at any one time, as Kenny said after that I just use quick navigation techniques to get to anything I need fast.I find it allows me to work faster and use my resources most efficiently, but to each there own. thumb.gif
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Originally Posted by Deuchnord View Post

Hi,

Thanks for this fork of Firefox, it is very faster than Mozilla's 32bits version browser! biggrin.gif
I just have a problem with the default browser: I'm using Windows 8 and it seems that Waterfox is not recognized by Windows as opening Web pages...
When Waterfox ask me to become the default browser, if I answer "Yes", the window reproduced bellow is opened (it is peculiar to Windows 8) and propose to me to define which programs will open which file extensions and protocols. But Waterfox doesn't appear in this window, so I cannot define Waterfox as my default browser.
The worst is that IE has become my default browser biggrin.gif

This is a capture of the window that I mentioned:
Capture of the window

Jérôme Deuchnord

PS: I'm French, sorry for my bad English

Had the same problem. I installed FireFox alongside WaterFox and made FF my default. Win8 then recognized WF and I was able to set WF as default. What was strange was that before installing FF, WIN8 recognized WF as the default for .htm and .html files but not HTTP and HTTPS protocols.
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The answer to html, htm explorer associations was given here

http://www.overclock.net/t/975626/waterfox-18-0-1-19-january-firefox-64-bit/4150#post_18516535
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