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Good information...I had wondered where telemetry had gone and being one that doesn't know all the "About:" options with FF/WF wouldn't have ever known, so thanks for that bit of knowledge.

As far as the other user not wanting to make the jump from FF to WF based solely on the fact that a BETA version was used in lieu of the final release, which came down to a few patches being the difference. I don't know if that would be reason enough to dismiss in my opinion a superior browser. How many security holes are present in all browsers upon release of a final build? More than most regular users would care to know, so it seems no browser would be usable with this mindset. I do thank you for asking about whether this is due to the Intel Compiler or not though, since I find it surprising that Alex has had so many issues anyway in previous builds using the Intel Compiler over others. Thank goodness he persevered and didn't let that stop WF development...I am sure what he finds and through questions such as this it will only serve to eliminate those issues between FF and it's forked development using those other compilers...as well as specifically Intel.

Lovin' the latest build Alex...nothing has stood out as a problem in my day to day surfing or browser use.
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Another niggle I have found is geolocation in Firefox and Watefox is inoperative. Don't know of the reason, whether it's new Waterfox install or problem with Firefox base?? Notice that Waterfox doesn't ask for geo permissions.

I think someone from the Pale Moon forums complained about this too so it *could* be a Mozilla-codebase issue.

I find geolocation to be kind of invasive so I turn it off, m'self, so not concerned about it not working for WF. tongue.gif
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a BETA version was used in lieu of the final release

I was not aware of this when I installed WF on my HTPC. It would've been nice to have this disclosure from MrAlex at the time he announced his resumption of regular compiling of FF into WF.
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that it is a beta is a conclusion of the earlier poster, not necessarily true. mozilla does make silent updates to libraries on occasion shortly after release. the code could still be a 'release' version. i'd not jump to conclusions until mr. alex comments.

just wait till australis hits the fan...y'all will have other things to worry about than nit-picking.
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As far as the other user not wanting to make the jump from FF to WF based solely on the fact that a BETA version was used in lieu of the final release, which came down to a few patches being the difference. I don't know if that would be reason enough to dismiss in my opinion a superior browser. How many security holes are present in all browsers upon release of a final build? More than most regular users would care to know, so it seems no browser would be usable with this mindset. I do thank you for asking about whether this is due to the Intel Compiler or not though, since I find it surprising that Alex has had so many issues anyway in previous builds using the Intel Compiler over others. Thank goodness he persevered and didn't let that stop WF development...I am sure what he finds and through questions such as this it will only serve to eliminate those issues between FF and it's forked development using those other compilers...as well as specifically Intel.

Lovin' the latest build Alex...nothing has stood out as a problem in my day to day surfing or browser use.

from all documentation waterfox is meant to be built with the same code as the official release but waterfox 26 is not this means has not the same security patches applied because waterfox was build from beta source code. with web browsers you need the best security they can offer to help protect sensitive data from being farmed. this is why i asked if it was a result of the intel tool.

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that it is a beta is a conclusion of the earlier poster, not necessarily true. mozilla does make silent updates to libraries on occasion shortly after release. the code could still be a 'release' version. i'd not jump to conclusions until mr. alex comments.

just wait till australis hits the fan...y'all will have other things to worry about than nit-picking.

this is not a conclusion of any sort this has being based with factual information about the security issues that are present. you can even take a look at one part buy going in troubleshooting information or about:support scrolling to the bottom of the page in firefox 26 looking at the NSS NSSSMIME NSSSSL NSSUTIL base version witch is 3.15.3.1 then repeating the same for waterfox 26.

the official firefox 26 security modules are NSS_3_15_3_1_RTM yet waterfox's is NSS_3_15_3_RTM ] firefox 26 is build from ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/26.0/source/firefox-26.0.source.tar.bz2 witch is the firefox 26 release candidate build 2 source code witch is officially approved as the release version and source. so waterfox has been built from beta source witch is to why these security patches mozilla labeled as high risk are not present in waterfox 26 release.

https://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2013/mfsa2013-117.html
https://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2013/mfsa2013-114.html
https://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2013/mfsa2013-111.html
https://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2013/mfsa2013-108.html
https://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2013/mfsa2013-104.html

i only mean to ask why this is so. but it appears my question will go unanswered and shrugged off by people how don't care about there personal data or wont even take a few seconds themselfs to take a look then ask the questions im asking. mad.gif
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it might be true that those dlls are slightly different, that is not in question.

your calling waterfox a 'beta' and thus somehow substandard, is a conclusion based on your observation of the different version number in those libraries rather than any statement by mozilla or mr alex that they are inferior beta code. that different number doesn't mean the code is beta, just that it may have a difference somewhere, maybe not even in an active function, might be correcting a misspelled name or comment, you'd need to decompile and reverse engineer the libraries and go thru all the functions, and as waterfox is compiled with a different compiler and switches, that would be a daunting task. paranoia should be tempered with reason. your proof doesn't meet the 'beyond a reasonable doubt' criteria to convict. is it possible? yes. is it proven, i do not think so. at worst it might be 'RC'.

even if the dll's are slightly older versions, the main code is 'release'. the slight differences are likely meaningless. it is interesting that no matter what the version numbers, the last modified dates on the dlls are two days NEWER on the waterfox versions.

if you don't like that, copy the dlls from a 64 bit nightly, they 3.15.5.0, they're the latest.
might not work tho.

there are more important things in life to worry about.

waterfox works, is v26, and is faster on the systems it's designed for.

you should not be depending on any minor security imperfections in waterfox v. firefox to ensure your system's security, your security should be based on a layered defence with a firewall (hardware &/or software), anti-malware, HIPS, web filtering, sandboxing, ip blocklists, browser extensions, etc. etc. the browser inbuilt security should not ever need to be triggered.

people are too critical, you want mr alex to publish a waterfox immediately after firefox is released then complain when it is slightly different than mozillas version. use mozilla's then. i'd rather see mr alex devote his time to getting ready for the next version with australis. it's gonna take a lot of work.

this reminds me of a post on another forum, a school janitor was castigated for putting a yellow 'caution - wet floor' warning sign on a spot he'd just mopped up because someone might trip over the sign.
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Anyone else noticing substantial lag and "not responding" freezes since installing this version? I did a completely clean install, creating a new profile, and updated all of my plugins. Scrolling is choppy as well.
     
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Anyone else noticing substantial lag and "not responding" freezes since installing this version? I did a completely clean install, creating a new profile, and updated all of my plugins. Scrolling is choppy as well.
I experience the same issue, though I rarely get the "Not Responding" error. For me, things start to slow down after a long period of time.
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there's a way to use facebook video call with waterfox 26?
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After 38 days uptime with 500+ tabs I started noticing some slowdown.. no freezes..
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there's a way to use facebook video call with waterfox 26?
Do you have flash and Java x64 installed? Not sure if they are used but would think so. Don't have a camera here so can't test but seem to work.
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