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I highly recommend the latest 64-bit nightly. It's very quick.

I recommend against it, I used Nightly for years and it's quick and stable most of the time - problem is that addons often aren't adapted for the new code which is a large hassle ... that's why I switched to Waterfox in the first place and still hope to use an updated version.
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And what is the best alternative until the new WF comes out?

Stable x64 distros are palemoon (based on a older ff version, but with backported patches) and Cyberfox, the latter is - I hope I don't get flamed if I state facts and answer the question - fast, supported and updated the very moment a new major or minor ff version is released. Cyberfox is based on the MSVC compiler chain and in theory Waterfox still should be faster with the latest bleeding edge Intel compiler - though as we see that doesn't count for much if it doesn't compile at all.
Edited by Marsu24 - 3/27/13 at 3:06pm
post #5022 of 7367
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I recommend against it, I used Nightly for years and it's quick and stable most of the time - problem is that plugins often aren't adapted for the new code which is a large hassle ... that's why I switched to Waterfox in the first place and still hope to use an updated version.
In case you missed the last 3 years, plugins are mostly defunct now.
post #5023 of 7367
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In case you missed the last 3 years, plugins are mostly defunct now.

Wupps, thanks for your gratuitous and helpful remark - I was (obviously?) talking of addons - I also corrected it in the previous post :-)
post #5024 of 7367
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Wupps, thanks for your gratuitous and helpful remark - I was (obviously?) talking of addons - I also corrected it in the previous post :-)
Add-ons are by nature open source, written entirely in JavaScript, CSS, and XUL, and easily fixed by hand.
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In case you missed the last 3 years, plugins are mostly defunct now.

How, in any way, are plugins defunct? Even Flash player is considered a plugin.
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post #5026 of 7367
i have a number of addons - extensions and plugins. they all work fine with the nightly x64 builds from mozilla.

some extensions required manually tweaking the internal maxversion in the internal install.rdf file to work (rename the .xpi to .zip and open with your archive utility, make change, update zip & rename back to .xpi) some infrequent few won't work with the latest version. you can also turn off compatibility testing for all if you prefer a shotgun approach

plugins are bit dependent. 32 bit (x86) only work with 32 bit browsers, 64 bit x64 with 64 bit. most major plugins also come with x64 versions. flash, java (if you can't or won't disable it), divx, adobe, silverlight, all have working x64 versions. java is a bit insecure pre v. 17. build 17.

if yours work with waterfox 18.0.1 they will likely work with nightly 22.01a. like i said earlier, some might need a small effort on your part to tweak the installer. some extension suppliers may have an already tweaked version update. check with the supplier. some might need the supplier to reprogram for the current api. the latter are thankfully rare.

i use waterfox as my default. if i want bleeding edge & do not care if it hiccups, i use nightly. stopped using x86 a long while back. it might be a tad faster yet, but not that noticeably.

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post #5027 of 7367
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Originally Posted by RealityRipple View Post

In case you missed the last 3 years, plugins are mostly defunct now.
How, in any way, are plugins defunct? Even Flash player is considered a plugin.

I think he was just trolling - though it is true some plugins from the height of plugin-mania (before addons became more versatile & popular) aren't maintained anymore and could be considered broken by now.
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i have a number of addons - extensions and plugins. they all work fine with the nightly x64 builds from mozilla.

I have a couple of the less popular and not no actively maintained addons, and these authors often only fix incompatibilities with the bleeding edge mozilla core once it arrives in the stable firefox version. It often isn't just about the maxversion, I can easily change it myself or - even better - install an addon that disables the version check alltogether. So I ended up using a stable x64 version (waterfox, cyberfox) since I certainly don't have the nerd-factor, time or ambition to edit/fix addon code myself.

If you just use the most prominent addons like adblock, noscript, ... you are fine with the nightly versions, these authors often even have dedicated dev pages with nightly versions of their addons.
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In the past i used the Nightly Tester Tools (looks like now there is the Add-on Compatibility Reporter).
That all Add-ons work without messing around is the biggest reason for me to use WF.
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How, in any way, are plugins defunct? Even Flash player is considered a plugin.
Flash is dying, if you hadn't noticed. With projects like HTML5 video and native PDF complete and Shumway in development, plugins probably won't last longer than another two years at the most.
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With projects like HTML5 video and native PDF complete and Shumway in development, plugins probably won't last longer than another two years at the most.

No way, imho that's open-source delusion - given the proliferation of flash it could be replaced in 5 years up to a decade, but only if the web standards add further functions to make even browser games possible that are currently afaik still implemented in flash most of the time... and even then the self-contained flash might be simpler to program than trying a couple of browser js/css implementations.

True, the mobile market like iOS puts pressure on proprietary (i.e. non-Appple :-)) runtimes, but not to the extent that every webmaster would phase out flash in a panic. So to be on topic, for a x64 browser it is and will be essential to have a working flash plugin.
Edited by Marsu24 - 3/28/13 at 11:49am
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