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Originally Posted by Balsagna;12901982 
How about, don't use Dreamweaver and use Notepad ++

Learn to really code and not have a program do most of your work for you. Sure, I know, it's much easier to catch your mistakes bla bla

But the truth is, using a do it yourself, program with just Notepad++ you will learn much better organizing of your code, and MUCH fewer mistakes

Trust me, I write code for a living..

I don't doubt if you know what you are doing that hand is better. However, when dealing with images and websites you can only take an educated case for coordinates for an image, placement, etc. It is very helpful to have a live design view. Reopening a browser every time you want to check can be annoying. I like dreamweaver for the features. However, I do a fair amount of coding by hand as well. Knowing the code makes things better, but something like Dreamweaver can help you learn the code as well. I don't have time to read a bunch of coding books. I usually buy a master book and then am done. I do website management for a living, but at home my computer is lacking beyond Notepad, etc. I like having options.

Plus as you point out mistakes are nice of an editor to catch. Sort of like when Visual Basics will compile a code/program for you and tell you where the errors are. Would much rather use a product like that for hardcore coding programs, etc. The same could be said video rendering, games, or other applications where you like to have an editor, live view, etc.

Lastly, it is usually best for most programmers to not be the designers as well. The stereotype holds true in many cases that most are technical, but not good with art, or user interface (not all the time, but most of the time). In my case I am a good designer. Be it layout, artistic ability, or user interface. In my wife's case she only does minimal web interface and that is essentially enough to implement her graphic design projects. Of course since she does much more work at home thanks to freelance options she has, the suites are on her computer. And obviously you don't hand code graphics as that is silly. You use tools. So while she is not in need of the dreamweaver program, I am. So I am trying to find the best alternative route to using a program in which I can hand code, have it catch potential mistakes (either as I am doing it or has a way to detect bad code), and of course have the option for the interactive live view.
Edited by RoddimusPrime - 3/28/11 at 9:33am
post #12 of 16
It's fine to use an IDE for website design. You will still be working with code, I don't go for that "you have to write in hard-code and that's your only option." Using tools is fine and can save you a ton of time when it comes to placements.
Edited by Plex - 3/28/11 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by RoddimusPrime;12902128 
I don't doubt if you know what you are doing that hand is better. However, when dealing with images and websites you can only take an educated case for coordinates for an image, placement, etc. It is very helpful to have a live design view. Reopening a browser every time you want to check can be annoying. I like dreamweaver for the features. However, I do a fair amount of coding by hand as well. Knowing the code makes things better, but something like Dreamweaver can help you learn the code as well. I don't have time to read a bunch of coding books. I usually buy a master book and then am done. I do website management for a living, but at home my computer is lacking beyond Notepad, etc. I like having options.

Plus as you point out mistakes are nice of an editor to catch. Sort of like when Visual Basics will compile a code/program for you and tell you where the errors are. Would much rather use a product like that for hardcore coding programs, etc. The same could be said video rendering, games, or other applications where you like to have an editor, live view, etc.

Lastly, it is usually best for most programmers to not be the designers as well. The stereotype holds true in many cases that most are technical, but not good with art, or user interface (not all the time, but most of the time). In my case I am a good designer. Be it layout, artistic ability, or user interface. In my wife's case she only does minimal web interface and that is essentially enough to implement her graphic design projects. Of course since she does much more work at home thanks to freelance options she has, the suites are on her computer. And obviously you don't hand code graphics as that is silly. You use tools. So while she is not in need of the dreamweaver program, I am. So I am trying to find the best alternative route to using a program in which I can hand code, have it catch potential mistakes (either as I am doing it or has a way to detect bad code), and of course have the option for the interactive live view.

I have dreamweaver myself and I don't use it for much other than code-completion. If you are doing anything other than static sites (e.g. Wordpress, sites that run php code), there isn't a lot of benefit to Dreamweaver over a very basic text editor.

The liveviewer is nice, but you can't edit while using it, so its not very different than just opening the page in a browser and ALT-TAB back and forth.

Meh, if you can get it on the cheap, its nice to have, but there might be "good enough" alternatives out there.

As others said, the educational license is probably the only cheap solution you can get (how I got it, thru educational design premium pkg)
    
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I have always done HTML/CSS in Notepad++ I don't use the design function in Dreamweaver, it also tends to render the website differently then IE or Firefox.
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I have always done HTML/CSS in Notepad++ I don't use the design function in Dreamweaver, it also tends to render the website differently then IE or Firefox.

That much is true. I have found that copy and pasting from Dreamweaver HTML can add extra characters as well (sometimes). Thus it is better to paste into something like Notepad or TextEdit and copy and paste from there into wherever it is going. Notepad++ is nice though. I could just get used to that for the most part. I just like the editor and live view. The one thing I do in live view though is edit the hotlink spaces by dragging the box to where it should be. Does good for that.
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I think the big question here is what server side are you using. ASP, PHP, etc etc. Visual WebDeveloper is not bad but is definitely aimed towards .net applications. Although if you are doing just standard layouts it works well for that too. I am a fan of notepad++ and a couple of browsers open on the other window and I have a quick script that fires off web pages on all my browsers from notepad++.
    
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