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The Back-story:

Some friends of mine are playing DDO (Dungeons and Dragons Online), an MMO game which still uses .Net 1.1. I can't believe DDO still uses that old of a version of .Net, but they do. Officially this package is only supported under WinXP 32-bit. My friends asked me to join them playing the game.

I downloaded the DDO install files and proceeded to try to install it. The auto installer installs the game then attempts to install .Net 1.1. Under Win7 64-bit Ultimate it would not install, no matter what I did. I used the DDO and LOTRO forums for help. LOTR Online also uses the Turbine engine and .Net 1.1. I did Google and Yahoo searches, all to no avail. I attemped the slipstreaming procedure for .Net 1.1 SP1, also to no avail. No matter what I did, I couldn't get the package to install, even after 3 hours of research and attempts.

So I had several options. I could run DDO on my laptop, which I didn't really want to do. I could load WinXP in a VM (WinXP mode) and do it that way. In the end I chose to dual boot Win7 64-bit Ultimate and Win7 32-bit Home Premium. I already had an unused 32-bit key available from my Technet account, so it didn't cost me any money.

Once Win7 32-bit was installed, DDO loaded and ran just fine. I also loaded up Steam and installed CS:S. It seems to run smoother on 32-bit. Not necessarily more FPS, but perhaps minimum FPS is higher.

The Questions:

1) Are there other games that just won't run in Win7 64-bit for some people? Apparently a lot of people can run DDO in 64-bit Win7, but their forum is full of posts with people like me who have problems getting it to work.

2) Who else has noticed that 32-bit games seem to run smoother on 32-bit Win7? Clearly there is some overhead running 32-bit apps/games on 64-bit Win7. The question is: how big is this performance hit? My guess is that it probably varies by game. I will definitely be playing Source based games in 32-bit Win7 based on my experience. I'll be testing COD4 and COD:BO soon.
Edited by Sheyster - 3/27/11 at 10:09am
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i don't have many older games, but from various forums that i've visited some older games still have issues with 7 x64
    
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I've never had an issue with an old game in Windows 7 64 bit, but since you want multiple opinions, consider this a free bump.
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I have yet to find a game that won't run well for me in 64 bit..

Although FWIW, I hate that when running various things, it has to make it a point to label it "32 bit".

Even if only perceived makes me think the os is looking down on it.

It also does give what I would say real cause for concern though because, if a program is optimized for 32 bit, makes me think I won't get the most out of my pc when I run it..

Who cares if 1000 or 2000 fps don't make a difference? if I am trying to see how many fps I get, I want to see how many with as little holding me back as possible.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheyster;12889714 
The Back-story:

Some friends of mine are playing DDO (Dungeons and Dragons Online), an MMO game which still uses .Net 1.1. I can't believe DDO still uses that old of a version of .Net, but they do. Officially this package is only supported under WinXP 32-bit. My friends asked me to join them playing the game.

I downloaded the DDO install files and proceeded to try to install it. The auto installer installs the game then attempts to install .Net 1.1. Under Win7 64-bit Ultimate it would not install, no matter what I did. I used the DDO and LOTRO forums for help. LOTR Online also uses the Turbine engine and .Net 1.1. I did Google and Yahoo searches, all to no avail. I attemped the slipstreaming procedure for .Net 1.1 SP1, also to no avail. No matter what I did, I couldn't get the package to install, even after 3 hours of research and attempts.

So I had several options. I could run DDO on my laptop, which I didn't really want to do. I could load WinXP in a VM (WinXP mode) and do it that way. In the end I chose to dual boot Win7 64-bit Ultimate and Win7 32-bit Home Premium. I already had an unused 32-bit key available from my Technet account, so it didn't cost me any money.

Once Win7 32-bit was installed, DDO loaded and ran just fine. I also loaded up Steam and installed CS:S. It seems to run smoother on 32-bit. Not necessarily more FPS, but perhaps minimum FPS is higher.

The Questions:

1) Are there other games that just won't run in Win7 64-bit for some people? Apparently a lot of people can run DDO in 64-bit Win7, but their forum is full of posts with people like me who have problems getting it to work.

2) Who else has noticed that 32-bit games seem to run smoother on 32-bit Win7? Clearly there is some overhead running 32-bit apps/games on 64-bit Win7. The question is: how big is this performance hit? My guess is that it probably varies by game. I will definitely be playing Source based games in 32-bit Win7 based on my experience. I'll be testing COD4 and COD:BO soon.

Comparability is one thing, if a game can't run then obviously you need to do something. As for performance, unless you're playing a really old game, you're a fool if you think giving up ram is worth the tiny bit less overhead of playing in a 32 bit system. Lots of games actually run much better in a 64 bit os due to the increased memory they can access. (Fallout 3 for instance).

Also, you have a gtx480 and you're worried about your fps in source games? Windows 7 x64 is the gaming OS at the moment. End of story.
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a partition with winxp works well enough...
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Z Overlord;12903370 
I've never had an issue with an old game in Windows 7 64 bit, but since you want multiple opinions, consider this a free bump.

wow that's surprising... I've had loads of problems with getting old games to run on vista 32, let alone 7/64.
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I have played LOTRO for quite awhile on Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit with no issues.
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This is why I have a PC for different era's of PC gaming, I have everything from an old Pentium 2 to My Phenom 2 x6 1090T
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