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The 7D does not have hacked firmware. The AF100 is based on the GH2, and the GH2 based on the GH1, as the GH2 is also a micro 4/3 camera. They do have the same size sensor (17.3 x 13.0 mm). Many Indie film makers have been raving about the GH2 in comparison to the AF100. Yes, the AF100 is a better camera with more features, but the $1000 GH2 definitely stacks up extremely well vs the $5000 AF100.

The GH2 is extremely viable for pro work and thats why so many are using it.

Check out these links for comparison between the GH2 and AF100 and people's surprise.

GH2, AF100 Pixel Peeping

GH2 vs Af100 Discussion

GH2 mounted on AF100

I really don't want to bash you, and I'm not here to purely argue, I just want to inform in a positive manner.
um you totally came here to bash by your first post you made. and everything you just said repeated stuff i said. i know its a 4/3s camera i said that already and compared them since that is there only similarity. im just trying to make you admit that your just a fanboy and that panasonic doesnt make "THE BEST" dslr for video that canon does compete. and the fact that there is no way that video wise the 5d and 1dmk4 dont blow your gh2 out of the water with better iso performance. i would say d3s but it doesnt support 1080p BUT has better noise control than the canon since nikon noise is much more pleasing than the random colored pixels that canon produces at high ISO

you are not open to other dslrs and are clearly not able to admit that when it comes to professional video canon in fact has quality much closer to actual film stock than panasonic. panasonic makes great video cameras but their dslr doesnt stack up with the big boys in the video world. but thats fine if you only care about indie work. i embrace the fact that dslrs almost match the quality of film and that the technology we have today is amazing. enjoy living in lala land
Edited by Conspiracy - 5/2/11 at 6:11am
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um you totally came here to bash by your first post you made. and everything you just said repeated stuff i said. i know its a 4/3s camera i said that already and compared them since that is there only similarity. im just trying to make you admit that your just a fanboy and that panasonic doesnt make "THE BEST" dslr for video that canon does compete. and the fact that there is no way that video wise the 5d and 1dmk4 dont blow your gh2 out of the water with better iso performance. i would say d3s but it doesnt support 1080p BUT has better noise control than the canon since nikon noise is much more pleasing than the random colored pixels that canon produces at high ISO

you are not open to other dslrs and are clearly not able to admit that when it comes to professional video canon in fact has quality much closer to actual film stock than panasonic. panasonic makes great video cameras but their dslr doesnt stack up with the big boys in the video world. but thats fine if you only care about indie work. i embrace the fact that dslrs almost match the quality of film and that the technology we have today is amazing. enjoy living in lala land
Well I'm glad you have given up. Every statement I have made was factual, or was an expression of opinion. You have made many false statements, so it is obvious you are clueless. Besides that, your grammar is hardly comprehensible.

I do own a Nikon D7000, and no Panasonic cameras. I'm hardly a fanboy, I just hate ignorance. Come back when you have something to say with out it being affected by your dim-witted subjectivity.
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Well I'm glad you have given up. Every statement I have made was factual, or was an expression of opinion. You have made many false statements, so it is obvious you are clueless. Besides that, your grammar is hardly comprehensible.

I do own a Nikon D7000, and no Panasonic cameras. I'm hardly a fanboy, I just hate ignorance. Come back when you have something to say with out it being affected by your dim-witted subjectivity.
i based my stuff on the fact that i have used the camera not watched a youtube video comparing the footage
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Alright, I just want to jump in here to clear up some misinformation in this thread.
I'm not interested in getting into any sort of debate about what is 'better.' But other people may read this thread and be left with the wrong impression, and some wrong 'facts.'

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the GH2 is extremely sub par and not recommended for anything more than home movies.
I have been shooting professionally for over 15 years and can say that in my opinion the footage from the GH2 is absolutely up to the same standard as that from the AF100 (which I think most would agree is capable of 'broadcast quality' footage (or however you want to define it).

The GH2 does exhibit more aliasing than the AF100, that's for certain. But it also displays less aliasing than any of the Canon APS-C DSLRs. I would say it's aliasing is about on par with that exhibited by the 5D.

And yes, I have shot with all of them, many times (7D, T2i, 60D, 5D, Gh1, Gh2).

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not sure what you are comparing its quality to. but the t2i has a better video mode by far than the GH2.
I suppose that depends on how you're going to define 'better.'
If sensor size is a concern for you, then the T2i has the advantage.
But if aliasing and moire are a concern, the GH2 wins that hands down in every test.
As far as resolving power, the GH series has always fared better on resolution charts.
If you're talking about dynamic range, then the T2i has the advantage (all the Canons have the advantage in general - usually getting about a stop more than the GH series).

Better always depends on what you're doing, and what you need.


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best dslr for video is the 1dmk4 because of its sensor size but the 7D and 5D are a little better to work with and both have different strengths and weaknesses that make them a good combo to use together. ideally though a 7D 1Dmk4 would be a really good combo.
The 1D Mk4 and 7D have the same exact sensor size, an APS-C sized sensor.
The 5D is full frame.
So your statement above doesn't make much sense.

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last full feature movie that i remember and i havent kept up that much is black swan witch featured the 7d and 1dm4. but black swan was shot majority on 35mm film stock anyway so that barely counts.
Black Swan was shot on Super 16, not 35mm.


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the 7d features 2 sensors rather than just 1
The 7D has two processors, not 2 sensors.
The only reason for a camera to have 2 sensors would be if it was a 3D camera.

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i have tested each camera and edited footage with each and i chose my 7D because it was the easiest to key green screen footage with.
This goes back to my point above, that there are many ways to define 'best.'
For green screen I could see how color depth and compression might be more important than overall resolution.
While the 7D is the 'best' choice for certain tasks, it may not be for others.

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you can argue all day but in the end the GH1 is not an amazing video camera. great for homemovies not for professional full feature movie work.
A film I worked on recently used a GH2 as a crash cam, Alexa was the A cam.
I'm not saying that proves anything, just pointing out that it is used and definitely is seen as more than a 'homemovie' cam by most industry folks I know.

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also the AF100 is not based on the GH1. they are two different systems. the GH1 is a DSLR the AF100 is a micro 4/3 video camera. they have the same lens mount but are nothing alike. same sensor type but different sizes.
Well, if we're going to split hairs I should point out that first off the GH1 and GH2 and technically not DSLRs, seeing as the micro 4/3 system has no mirror. But that's semantics.

The AF100, GH1 and GH2 all have the same exact sized sensor. The sensors are definitely not different sizes.

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the image produced from the af100 is way better than the GH1 i dont think you have personally compared them. i recently worked with the af100 and it is a great camera not even going to deny that i love panasonic video equipment
You're right that the AF100 is way better than a GH1. But the GH2 is really a whole different beast, honestly.

Just last week I worked on a job where we used an AF100 and a GH2 as the bcam.
While editing the footage in an editing bay, watching the footage on a 42" plasma broadcast monitor with the client, the client actually said "that camera seems much cleaner." And she was referring to the GH2 footage! (she didnt' know that, of course). We actually had to add a very very slight soft focus filter to the GH2 to get it to match to the AF100.

My guess is it's due to the anti aliasing filter in the AF100 (which is why the AF has much less aliasing than the GH2). But anti alias filters obviously work by losing some resolution, so you have to take the good with the bad.

My point is just that not only are the AF100 and GH2 images very similar, in some cases the GH2 can actually seem superior (to be clear I'm not claiming it's a better camera, just saying the images are very similar).
Edited by Justsomeguy - 5/2/11 at 8:00pm
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I should also add, in case I gave the wrong impression, that I don't even own a GH1 or GH2.
I do however own a 60D, 5DMKII, and T2i.

I have shot with all them, as well as every major video camera, extensively.
Edited by Justsomeguy - 5/2/11 at 7:53pm
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I have been shooting professionally for over 15 years...
+1 to all of that.

Finally we have someone who also knows the facts
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Yikes guys...
It's cool though, we are having a semi calm discussion.
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Hi,

I believe you can have a better undestanding by looking at the attached frame grabs.

Why in this tread.. well, i cannot see how you can get any professional work out of this camera if there is such a problem.

Panasonic serviced it and they returned the item as it was perfectly fine to them, so this is it.
No software conversion involved, no hertz involved, no nothing. If you know the existence of such a defect, you can see it even on the LCD bare eye.

Frame doubling when panning, or even moving around the camera, equals to no movie whatsoever.

Thanks everyone for helping out.
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^ how fast are you panning and what are your settings? you get the same results on canons if you don't pan slow enough.

and for those bashing on the GH2 and saying things like "doesn't stack up with the big boys..." Ya'll need to do more research.
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