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Driver? Driverrrr?

What do you do during reboots????
Wow, you have 3 6950's? How are those working out for ya?
post #152 of 184
16 pages of Nvidia Zealots defending the indefensible. Same people who were in uproar at the suggestion the 590 would be slower than the 6990 when the clocks were revealed.

You have to wonder are these people trolls or just special.
post #153 of 184
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Originally Posted by Brutuz View Post
The one on XS that the guy said it failed at stock voltage or 1v or some insanely low amount, and while nVidia said "It was because its a preproduction and non-retail card" but it was retail.
I saw someone post something about one blowing at stock and taking out his mobo. It was in spanish and the details were so vague that he might have had more issues than just the card.

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And you know why PSU makers do that, great, the exact same principle applies to anything in a computer...The harder it works, the sooner it will die...A GPU folding 24/7 won't last as long as one that just rendered Aero and web browsers its entire life, just like how VRMs right at their limit or very close to it won't last as long as VRMs that can handle way more current.

nVidia cheaped out big-time and are responsible, unless you want all cards to end up like this, it's exactly the same as the OCP stuff, ATI did it in Furmark..Now nVidia is, they'll do this to save a few bucks and before you know it, cards will die ultra fast but as long as its still got the max profit for AMD and nVidia, they won't care.
I'm not in total disagreement with you, the card should have had a bigger factor of safety. Just wanted to state that there isn't a linear trend between reliability and % load. The transistors could be within their design thresholds at stock and a sharp drop off could be after the threshold. The vendor that supplied the low quality components could also be to blame but ultimately Nvidia would take resposibility.

Now as consumers we can only control what these companies decide to do with our wallets. If we don't approve of a product we can decide not to buy it and convince others to do the same. The problem is some will buy the product regardless or for different reasons like the person below. The companies will just see the money and think its in support for its actions. We have to ban together in order to make any sizeable difference in the way these companies conduct business.

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Moral of the story:

If you're fine with shelling out this kind of money for hardware that you absolutely have to run at stock (at least it seems that way), then go for it (like I did).

I am currently only running a single 1920x1200 monitor (will eventually get at least 1 more) and I wanted a *dual-GPU, single-card solution* that was going to consume less power, create less heat and make less noise than my pair of 480s.

The GTX 590 achieves that, and as far as i am concerned, unless my card blows up on me at stock, and as disappointed as i am with the inability of this card to perform at the highest of enthusiast levels considering its price (or really, perform PERIOD from an overclocking standpoint), i am responsible enough of a consumer to know exactly what it is that I paid for.

If there is an underlying issue though and 590s start to die when run at STOCK with scary frequency, i am going to have some serious, serious issues with Nvidia.
(Monologue)
I will always think of *dual GPU, single card solutions* as a waste unless you are constrained by not having enough PCI-e slots or only run your cards at stock. Sometimes a dual card solution is a little pricer but you get more performance and have less problems (except for the dual GPU woahs of course).

If you are overclocking you are usually disabling the power saving features so why do you care if you are using less power. Heat and noise will usually be the same as having two cards if not more. But I guess you can save money on waterblocks and aftermarket coolers if your card is able to match the two card solution in performance with the right cooling.
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post #154 of 184
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It has nothing to do with the cooling, the cheap VRMs will blow even under water for some cards at least.

How many times do I have to say it? Look at the GTX 570.



The one on XS that the guy said it failed at stock voltage or 1v or some insanely low amount, and while nVidia said "It was because its a preproduction and non-retail card" but it was retail.

And you know why PSU makers do that, great, the exact same principle applies to anything in a computer...The harder it works, the sooner it will die...A GPU folding 24/7 won't last as long as one that just rendered Aero and web browsers its entire life, just like how VRMs right at their limit or very close to it won't last as long as VRMs that can handle way more current.

nVidia cheaped out big-time and are responsible, unless you want all cards to end up like this, it's exactly the same as the OCP stuff, ATI did it in Furmark..Now nVidia is, they'll do this to save a few bucks and before you know it, cards will die ultra fast but as long as its still got the max profit for AMD and nVidia, they won't care.



Stop grasping at straws, it's making you look really bad.

You can't fix a hardware issue with software, you can merely delay it which is what nVidia has done here...Otherwise, Intel would have made a driver to be included with every motherboard to fix the SATA2 problem in P67, not made a new stepping with the fix.



Bloody heck, you never listen, do you?

Software. Cannot. Fix. Hardware. And, not every card will even hit 700Mhz in the voltage nVidia said it can do...And not every card will have that as a safe voltage, nVidia cheaped out that much on the VRMs, it's like the 4 phase VRM on MSI AMD boards, you cannot cheap out on them and just say "Keep it under x voltage" or "Cool it better" because it has been proven again and again that it will not fix the problem.

If I was buying an expensive GPU right now, either GTX 580 SLI, HD6990 or HD6970 CFX are better options than the 590 by far.
So you are saying these guys wanting to put this card on LN2 and break records will just kill every card because is not about cooling and they just don't overclock?

Are you serious?

Man you need to backup your facts. Get it through your thick head. This card's don't just die. You have to do something really stupid like put 1.2v through it and leave the fan on auto. Thank god new drivers should save those cards now.

You talk like you know so much but where is your GTX 590? Have you done testing on it like some people already have to say how full of crap many of you are saying the card's will die no matter what, that they underclock bellow 600Mhz etc...

I posted benchmarks at 775Mhz for the GTX 590. So get your facts straight

Here is Brutuz with the launch of the GTX 480.

OMG that's freaking loud and hot. Why would anyone buy this card? How could you possibly overclock this card when it gets to 90+ without overclock. Plus is only 5% faster than the 5870

I bet he felt off his chair when I had my GTX 480 @ 900Mhz

I bet he almost got a heart attack when the GTX 480 broke world records. As of today the GTX 480 is also about 20% faster then the 5870 and even more when you overclock both cards




Burtuz don't let it happen again. You might be eating your words afterwards.
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The problem is, due to the VRMs being rated for precisely what the GPU will use rather than what it could use (And the VRMs being at their limits) that some of the more heavily loaded 590s will die young...
Prove it.

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Yes! You don't build a Ferrari to cruise down a 50MpH school zone.
Terrible analogy. Sure, a Ferrari is built to go, say, 200MPH. Overclocking would be the equivalent of adding more horsepower via some mod be it software or hardware. Now that same ferrari can theoretically do 220MPH. Does that mean it's Ferrari's fault if the tires blow up at 215 MPH? No.
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So you are saying these guys wanting to put this card on LN2 and break records will just kill every card because is not about cooling and they just don't overclock?

Are you serious?

Man you need to backup your facts. Get it through your thick head. This card's don't just die. You have to do something really stupid like put 1.2v through it and leave the fan on auto. Thank god new drivers should save those cards now.

You talk like you know so much but where is your GTX 590? Have you done testing on it like some people already have to say how full of crap many of you are saying the card's will die no matter what, that they underclock bellow 600Mhz etc...

I posted benchmarks at 775Mhz for the GTX 590. So get your facts straight

Here is Brutuz with the launch of the GTX 480.

OMG that's freaking loud and hot. Why would anyone buy this card? How could you possibly overclock this card when it gets to 90+ without overclock. Plus is only 5% faster than the 5870

I bet he felt off his chair when I had my GTX 480 @ 900Mhz

I bet he almost got a heart attack when the GTX 480 broke world records. As of today the GTX 480 is also about 20% faster then the 5870 and even more when you overclock both cards
Burtuz don't let it happen again. You might be eating your words afterwards.
Running a bench with ln2 is last only for a few minutes. That does not equal to long term use.

Are you not tired of posting the same thing over and over?

The gtx 480 is a loud and hot gpu. Reason why there were complains is because it is a single gpu card.

Other than the 590 the 480 is the second worse card i seen from nvidia.
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So you are saying these guys wanting to put this card on LN2 and break records will just kill every card because is not about cooling and they just don't overclock?

Are you serious?

Man you need to backup your facts. Get it through your thick head. This card's don't just die. You have to do something really stupid like put 1.2v through it and leave the fan on auto. Thank god new drivers should save those cards now.

You talk like you know so much but where is your GTX 590? Have you done testing on it like some people already have to say how full of crap many of you are saying the card's will die no matter what, that they underclock bellow 600Mhz etc...

I posted benchmarks at 775Mhz for the GTX 590. So get your facts straight

Here is Brutuz with the launch of the GTX 480.

OMG that's freaking loud and hot. Why would anyone buy this card? How could you possibly overclock this card when it gets to 90+ without overclock. Plus is only 5% faster than the 5870

I bet he felt off his chair when I had my GTX 480 @ 900Mhz

I bet he almost got a heart attack when the GTX 480 broke world records. As of today the GTX 480 is also about 20% faster then the 5870 and even more when you overclock both cards



Burtuz don't let it happen again. You might be eating your words afterwards.
You both are drawing conclusions too soon.

But a fact is a fact, cards are dying, cards are throttling.
Only one review stated they put 1.2v to the card, TPU.
Most were at stock, another admitted to a 125mv increase, which is increasing the voltage from .91 to 1.035.

In the OCN 590 owners club, there has already been a death reported, as well as throttling.

And trying to use the LN2 runs to support an argument, no no.
Those cards will be heavily modified to take the required voltage.

So that 900mhz you hit, was that with the extra 120mm fans zip tied to the shroud?


But both of you need to step back and give this time to develop, as we all do.
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Terrible analogy. Sure, a Ferrari is built to go, say, 200MPH. Overclocking would be the equivalent of adding more horsepower via some mod be it software or hardware. Now that same ferrari can theoretically do 220MPH. Does that mean it's Ferrari's fault if the tires blow up at 215 MPH? No.
Equally terrible analogy.

We're not talking about a Ferrari that can do 200MPH. That would be the GTX 295 or 9800 GX2, who were pushed to their GPU limits.

We're talking a Ferrari that CAN do 200MPH, but does 160MPH out of the factory.

Now sure, you can say "But you pay less for the 160MPH Ferrari".

But I don't CARE! I'm buying a Ferrari and if it doesn't equate my friend's Ferrari, head are 'gonna roll!
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Basically, I am pissed off that nVidia chose to use Ferrari 200MPH engines but only give it a coolant solution capable of 160MPH, maybe 185MPH.

I'M PAYING 750$ FOR A CARD, COULDN'T YOU TACK ON 40$ FOR A BETTER COOLER?!

Gawwwwd!

Stupid fricking 2-slot regulations.. LE SIGH!
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This thread needs to be locked.

There's reports of cards blowing at stock volts with stock clocks....

There's been reports of throttling.....

It's obvious the cards has a bad VRM design and water cooling will do very very little to help that.

So is there any need to keep this thread going?
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