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IDK if this was posted already or not.

GTX 590 idle vs load:


HD 6990 idle vs load@375W vs load@450W:


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post #172 of 184
Yes it was ... many times
post #173 of 184
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Originally Posted by FlawleZ View Post
IDK if this was posted already or not.

GTX 590 idle vs load:


HD 6990 idle vs load@375W vs load@450W:


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You forgot the only one that matters: the 590 vrms.

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post #174 of 184
^^^ Hope you are able to make the jump soon to SB, you won't be disappointed! There is a 2500k-2600k with your name on it! ^^^

Now sorry to change the subject, back to 590 hatin'.
post #175 of 184
I'm not sure that Nvidia cheaped out on the VRMs just to save a buck.

If you overclock 2x 580s they are going to want to draw way more than 450w. At that point, if the 590 could handle it, then the PSU motherboard would fry out. The 24-pin connector would burn up trying to provide enough power through the PCI-E 2.0 slot. Better to have a VRM on the card blow than the PSU and mobo catch on fire.

This is just a theory based on what I've seen in some other threads.
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post #176 of 184
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Originally Posted by coelacanth View Post
I'm not sure that Nvidia cheaped out on the VRMs just to save a buck.

If you overclock 2x 580s they are going to want to draw way more than 450w. At that point, if the 590 could handle it, then the PSU motherboard would fry out. The 24-pin connector would burn up trying to provide enough power through the PCI-E 2.0 slot. Better to have a VRM on the card blow than the PSU and mobo catch on fire.

This is just a theory based on what I've seen in some other threads.
You have it backwards.

The motherboard wouldn't fry - the 8-pin connectors would.

Except they wouldn't because they're rated at 500w put together.

Now, I'm not saying that nVidia necessarily cheapened out on VRMs, but I AM saying that they should have limited voltage increase past the point of no return.
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IMO with any card these days you should be able to up the voltage and clocks as high as possible and the card should have built in hardware limits or fail safes to prevent stuff like this from happening. I thought the 500 series had built in over voltage protection or something.
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post #178 of 184
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Originally Posted by Track View Post
You have it backwards.

The motherboard wouldn't fry - the 8-pin connectors would.

Except they wouldn't because they're rated at 500w put together.

Now, I'm not saying that nVidia necessarily cheapened out on VRMs, but I AM saying that they should have limited voltage increase past the point of no return.
300w put together. Plus another 150w for the PCI-E 2.0 slot.
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So you are saying these guys wanting to put this card on LN2 and break records will just kill every card because is not about cooling and they just don't overclock?

Are you serious?
I never said they don't overclock, obviously they do, but not every 590 will take a large amount of voltage above a certain amount even with LN2...This is already known facts from the 570 and many, many other electrical stuff.

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Man you need to backup your facts. Get it through your thick head. This card's don't just die. You have to do something really stupid like put 1.2v through it and leave the fan on auto. Thank god new drivers should save those cards now.
I'm not saying I know everything or that it is a fact, it's a hypothesis with fairly stable evidence, considering running something under its normal spec will make sure it lasts longer than running it at or above its normal sepc...

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You talk like you know so much but where is your GTX 590? Have you done testing on it like some people already have to say how full of crap many of you are saying the card's will die no matter what, that they underclock bellow 600Mhz etc...
No, I do not have a 590, nor would I want one considering the chance of me getting it far above stock without it dying within the 2 year upgrade cycle I'm trying to keep to remains to be seen...

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I posted benchmarks at 775Mhz for the GTX 590. So get your facts straight
Yes, I know you did, but will that card be alive next year? Will any 590 hit that speed? Just because one card hits 775Mhz, doesn't mean all will...

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Here is Brutuz with the launch of the GTX 480.

OMG that's freaking loud and hot. Why would anyone buy this card? How could you possibly overclock this card when it gets to 90+ without overclock. Plus is only 5% faster than the 5870
Yes, it is a loud card, I also said "But not many enthusiasts would really care" and that "Under watercooling, it'd do well" and was even considering getting a GTX 465, plus, it was 10% faster on average than the HD5870.
So, gonna keep twisting facts? And I said "The card will have to have an epic cooler to OC well, or an extremely high fan speed, otherwise it'll be too hot".

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I bet he almost got a heart attack when the GTX 480 broke world records. As of today the GTX 480 is also about 20% faster then the 5870 and even more when you overclock both cards
Not really, I admitted it was faster than the HD5870 and yes, it probably is more so now after driver updates, I was simply saying that the drawbacks of the card (The massive leakage and heat output, which nVidia practically admitted to with GF110...) will cause some buyers to think twice. And guess what, I was right.

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Burtuz don't let it happen again. You might be eating your words afterwards.
I'll be sure to Tell Burtuz that, however, I don't think I'll be eating my words any time soon...You're the one who can't seem to read my posts properly and misinterprets the point entirely.

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Originally Posted by Iceman23 View Post
Prove it.
I can't without spending a few years getting the evidence.

Want to do it yourself? Buy two new Core i5 2500s, leave both at stock, let then run 24/7, one running F@H, OCCT or whatever 24/7 and the other one doing nothing at all, guess which will die first assuming nothing else takes them out? This is common knowledge...

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But both of you need to step back and give this time to develop, as we all do.
I was more or less guessing from the current evidence, I guess I should have made it more clear.

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Originally Posted by bencher View Post
It is a 2 way problem. If you disable the power limiter the 590 burns. that is te difference between the 580 and the 590. The 580 has the right circuitry to power the gpu. The 590 has 2 580 gpus, but powered by 2 570 circuitries.
This is what I've been saying, for the GTX 570 the 4+2 phase might be fine for stock speeds, but considering this has the full 512 shaders enabled there is definitely a chance of early death.
    
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300w put together. Plus another 150w for the PCI-E 2.0 slot.
150w is the minimum spec. A good PSU should be able to shell out 250w.
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