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Seeing as the only way to get a GTX 590 off its hind legs is to water it..

I'm thinking of going into water.

But I don't want to spend too much. I want to build a mid-entry level setup that will either then go towards cooling my other PC(s) or will remain cooling my main one with a better WC system.
I mean, I am only cooling two components, so I don't need an Iwaki 30 to get the same performance, right?

So, I'll start it off:

Pump - Originally, I thought of getting an Iwaki 30, but I realized that two MCP355s with an integrated pump would be almost as good pressure-wise. But there are so many pumps, and I have no experience.
Radiator - I was going to go with the Feser X-Change 480mm.
Waterblocks - I prefer EK.
Tubing - 1/2 ID 3/4 OD was my earlier choice.
Fittings - I know NOTHING about this and need help.
Reservoir - Got totally lost because there are different sizes.

I'm probably forgetting a few things, but I am ordering everything from Performance-PCs.. they've been excellent in the past.

Thank You!
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Twin 355s in a dual pump top will give more than enough pressure.

Now, you can go with 3/8 tube and put it on 1/2" barbs. Will fit nice and snug, no need for compression fittings. That saves tons of cash. Larger tubing needs clamps or compressions.

For the 590 block, give it a week as ek and others need time to perfect the block before it goes live.

Now if your goin liquid, your putting a CPU under as well I would guess. I would recommend a rasa block for cost/performance ratio or the ek supreme hf nickel if you can spend.

For the Res, do you want a bay mounted or are you wanting a nice cylinder inside?

That's a good rad but There are other options that may work just as well. Also you need to figure out what fans you want to use
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You probably don't need a 480 rad if you are only cooling a single 590. Reservoirs are completely personal preference and you dont even need one if you dont want. I use a 2 5.25" bay res from XSPC that holds my mcp 355 in it. Fittings you can use barbs or compression fittings. Barbs need clamps of some sort so the tubes dont fall off where compression do not. Compression also look cleaner. With barbs you only need to match the inner diameter of the tubes. Compression need to match the internal and external diameters. Any of the EK full cover 590 blocks should work for you. Although I have heard people are having problems with the nickel blocks leaving flakes of nickle in the loop

My loop is a Bkack Ice SR1 360 rad a single mcp355 in my dual bay res. and then an EK supreme HF for cpu and runs plenty cool. (25C 100% load)

You can probably cool your cpu and 590 with a single 360 rad if you dont have a lot of space.
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Dual DDC's is abit overkill but to be honest I would go for it because of redundancy/reliability, otherwise you could do just fine with a single D5.

As for the rad the X-Changer is abit pricey, would help us out knowing which fans your gonna team up with the rad. An XSPC RX360 would be more than fine for such a setup, I've used a single RX360 in the past with an i7 920 and a GTX470 with great temps.

For fittings it simply depends on your tube size since your using 1/2"ID and 3/4"OD you should choose G1/4 to 1/2"ID. You can also go for a smaller diameter in tubing and use the same fittings which should give you a tighter fit (only if using barbs, not compressions).

Reservoir depends on personal likings and case, simply design your loop based on the case and try to measure what kind of reservoir you can fit.

I would try to go for sidewinderscomputers.com for the order itself since Gary is awesome and his prices are as well, PPC gave me a bad experience.
    
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2 pumps for two blocks is beyond overkill. The MCP will push a hamster through those tubes if need be.

A 480 does seem like overkill but I have a single 2500k and 6950 that it cools but its mainly there so I can expand to an additional GPU, cooling NB/SB, etc.

EK waterblocks seem to be the cream of the crop as of late.

Your choice of tubing is fine.

Fittings are as close to cosmetic enhancements as anything else in a water loop. You can get away with zip ties if you're smart and careful. Do you need to spend $50 on compression fittings? No. Will it look cleaner/better? Sure. Your choice. There is no performance drop either way.

Reservoir is also pretty cosmetic in the choices you have. It usually comes down to what fits/looks best with all the other stuff inside your case.
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Okay, so I'll try to sum up:

Pump - Dual-MCP355 is overkill, D5 or single MCP355 instead.
But what if I add a second GTX 590? I will, almost certainly, get the next dual-socket board that comes out, so that two CPUs as well in my future loop.
Also, an Iwaki-20 is only a bit more expensive than two MCP-355s.. so how about an MCP655? Is that better?
Radiator - Depends on my fans but 360mm is enough for my current setup.
Well, I have four 120mm Scythe 75CFM fans that are quiet enough to run simultaneously.
Now, do I have to factor in my dual-CPU future build.. or can I just add another radiator later so I should just go with the 360? I have a p190 case and tons of space.
Waterblocks - Everyone seems to agree with me that EK is the best. That's great.
Tubing - Still unclear as I just simply don't know much about it.
I know that it doesn't matter how big the tubes are, as in bigger doesn't mean better performance, and that it's only about how flexible they'll be with ID in comparison to OD.
But which ones I should get.. I just don't know. If someone could directly link me, I'd appreciate it a lot.
Fittings - I think I'm even more lost here.. I'd say I am the MOST lost here. There are so many kinds, and I don't know which ones to get. If you could link me to a corresponding fitting for the tubing, I'd appreciate that even more.
Reservoir - Yeah, I've been told that it's just a matter of preference and doesn't hold any performance difference. I suppose the 5.25" drive bay one sounds good.. I have a drive bay that is currently cover-less and not being used anyway.

Oh, and I've ordered from both Sidewinder and PPCs.. I guess I just felt like there is a bigger selection at PPCs.. and the site seems more easy-to-use.. but yeah, totally.. whatever works for you guys.

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Edited by Track - 3/28/11 at 9:04pm
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Pump - Personally I'd go with with the D5, I've got one with a Bitspower v2 Top and it manages with no problem whatsoever to go through 2x GPU blocks, CPU block, Mobo Block and 2x Rad's. My flow is more than fine, the D5's head pressure is quite underrated.

Fans - Could you find out the model? the Slipstream's for instance have a really crap static pressure which is something you would want to avoid once you put them against a radiator. People tend to use Scythe's fans only as case fans with the exception of the mighty GT.

Blocks - Ek is definitely the king in the CPU department although they've lost their crown at the GPU's in recent roundup's as an overall cooler they are still better than most.

Tubing - Quite simple, if your gonna use barbs fittings I would recommend to use 7/16"ID and 5/8" OD since it would give you a much tighter fit once you connect them to the barbs, essentially this would mean less possibilities for leaks.

Fittings - Again, if you gonna use barbs and the above tubing size then go for G1/4 (G1/4 is the connection between the block itself which 99% of the blocks utilize to the fitting) to 1/2"ID and then ur gonna have a tight fit. If you would go for compressions then use exactly the same size your tubing has, for example if using 1/2" ID and 3/4"OD tubing I use G1/4 to 1/2"ID compression fittings.

As for the shipment it really depends on where your sending to, PPC really tends to overprice international shipment so if your doing a shipment to Israel I would atleast buy the big parts at sidewindercomputers.com (the rads & pumps) since he always declares a lower value for customs and his shipments rarely get delayed.
    
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Okay, so I'll try to sum up:
Fittings - I think I'm even more lost here.. I'd say I am the MOST lost here. There are so many kinds, and I don't know which ones to get. If you could link me to a corresponding fitting for the tubing, I'd appreciate that even more.
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=28357

I use those fittings and they work really well for me and look quite good imo.
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Okay, so I'll try to sum up:

Pump - Dual-MCP355 is overkill, D5 or single MCP355 instead.
But what if I add a second GTX 590? I will, almost certainly, get the next dual-socket board that comes out, so that two CPUs as well in my future loop.
Also, an Iwaki-20 is only a bit more expensive than two MCP-355s.. so how about an MCP655? Is that better?
Radiator - Depends on my fans but 360mm is enough for my current setup.
Well, I have four 120mm Scythe 75CFM fans that are quiet enough to run simultaneously.
Now, do I have to factor in my dual-CPU future build.. or can I just add another radiator later so I should just go with the 360? I have a p190 case and tons of space.
Waterblocks - Everyone seems to agree with me that EK is the best. That's great.
Tubing - Still unclear as I just simply don't know much about it.
I know that it doesn't matter how big the tubes are, as in bigger doesn't mean better performance, and that it's only about how flexible they'll be with ID in comparison to OD.
But which ones I should get.. I just don't know. If someone could directly link me, I'd appreciate it a lot.
Fittings - I think I'm even more lost here.. I'd say I am the MOST lost here. There are so many kinds, and I don't know which ones to get. If you could link me to a corresponding fitting for the tubing, I'd appreciate that even more.
Reservoir - Yeah, I've been told that it's just a matter of preference and doesn't hold any performance difference. I suppose the 5.25" drive bay one sounds good.. I have a drive bay that is currently cover-less and not being used anyway.

Oh, and I've ordered from both Sidewinder and PPCs.. I guess I just felt like there is a bigger selection at PPCs.. and the site seems more easy-to-use.. but yeah, totally.. whatever works for you guys.

Thanks again!
Pump- You could get a MCP355 now and add in another with a dual top later on. You can also do this with D5s but their tops tend to be a little more money. But a single MCP355 should be able to handle 5+ blocks.

Radiator- You can always add another one later on. Looks like you can cut an extra fan hole on top to mount a 360mm rad internally. If your Scythes are slipstreams you might want to pick up something else. Kama flexes and S-Flexes are decent.

Most people recommend the XSPC RX360, but another choice is the cheaper MCR320-QP. The difference would be about .4~.5 C.

Tubing/Fittings- Since you are on a budget you might want to go for some 1/2" barbs and 7/16" ID 5/8" OD tubing. Primochill Pro LRT tubing is pretty good and it comes in different colors. For barbs look into Danger Den Fatboys or if you want something in black go for the Matte Black Bitspowers. A pair of tube cutters from a local hardware store should make some nice clean cuts.

To install the tubing you need to dip the end of the tubing into boiling hot water and shove it over the barb.

Waterblocks- The EK HF is a pretty versatile block as well as the EK-FC590. Try to get nickel plated blocks so you won't be a victim of oxidation.

Reservoir- Yeah personal preference is the only thing that matters. You don't even need a reservoir really. A T-line would work as well, but a reservoir is easier to bleed.

Loop Order- Keep your reservoir above and before the pump. You can lay out the rest of the loop anyway you want. Just do it in a way so you have less tubing.

As for PPCs, I haven't experienced anything wrong with them and I've spent hundreds there over a couple of years. Some people might have some bad experiences with them but that is the same for any retailer.

If you want different outlets look towards Jab-Tech, Koolertek, or FrozenCPU (little pricier).
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Oh, wow, guys! I can safely say I have NEVER received such comprehensive advice on ANY other forum.

So, hopefully for the last time, I will sum up the necessary parts:

Pump - Apparently, a single MCP355 will handle my current rig, and a D5 (which I think is an MCP655) will handle my future rig, with the converse option of adding a second MCP355 with a dual-top-reservoir.
Question - What about the Iwakis? Are they seriously only useful for gigantic builds or do they actually have a performance increase in cooling over an MCP355?

Radiator - To set the record straight, I have Scythe S-Flex fans. I could buy more, but I have so many lying around not being currently used. (I also have two 300CFM Deltas that literally hover when not grounded ) I guess I'll use my Dremel and make another 120mm hole and buy a 360mm rad.
Question - Should I get a 480mm instead? I've already decided not to sell my p190, so I could make TWO 120mm holes, since the case stretches for over 500mm.

Tubing/Fittings - I should go for 7/16 ID / 5/8 OD to save money, as well as G1/4, which I guess are 1/2 "barb" fittings. I agree that spending 50$+ on fittings with the 7$/piece compression ones is insane.
Question - I still seem to have a lack of clarity in this department. Can someone link me to a guide explaining the differences between tubing, fittings and how they mash together?

I'll set up a cart at Sidewinder and PPCs and write back.

Oh, and I'm not sure whether I will still be in Israel or back in NY for this, so lower shipping rates MIGHT matter. Thanks for the tip.

And thanks to everyone for their contribution. I PROMISE I will make a work log for everyone to see!
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