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I don't know how all you people are claiming ignorance is no excuse for the law? Are we living on the same planet? The USA is constantly and infamously granting large lawsuits in favor of people doing stupid and ignorant things. Catering to the lowest common denominator is considered par for the course when dealing with the public for large companies now.
Lawsuits are very profitable and increasingly more common. We get our fair share here in Canada too, you see proof of it everyday. Just go buy a coffee but be careful that coffee is hot! (it now even says so on the cup...).
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the thing that angers me most about this situation is that on a personal level, I think the guy acted like a spoiled brat, carrying on with something that he was obviously asked to stop earlier by Sony--and in the spirit of being a decent person, and using a product for what it was meant to do, I feel he was in the wrong, and as a decent person, should have stopped. But on a non-personal level, I don't think Sony can succeed well with this. If they were trying to make a statement, and set the precedent that hacking their systems would not be tolerated, and generated severe consequences, they seem to have failed, and this is all progressing too slow for them to gain any real clout in the matter. If they can't succeed in going after him in a court, it's just going to look bad for them.
The flaw in your arguement is.... OtherOS and Linux support. Sony took this feature away... why?


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I don't know how all you people are claiming ignorance is no excuse for the law? Are we living on the same planet? The USA is constantly and infamously granting large lawsuits in favor of people doing stupid and ignorant things. Catering to the lowest common denominator is considered par for the course when dealing with the public for large companies now.
Lawsuits are very profitable and increasingly more common. We get our fair share here in Canada too, you see proof of it everyday. Just go buy a coffee but be careful that coffee is hot! (it now even says so on the cup...).
Proof that you really don't that much about law.


The McDonald's settlement was NOT due to the fact that the lady burned herself (her fault). It was due to the fact that McD was settling the same type of hot coffee case outside of the courts for years (on average once per week). AND the fact that there was internal documentation that McD knew the coffee was too hot consumption BUT continued to serve it as such.

McD was being punished for purposely and knowing doing something that would hurt the consumer.
Edited by DuckieHo - 3/28/11 at 12:52pm
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he used donations for lawyers and yet his lawyers are dumb?
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he used donations for lawyers and yet his lawyers are dumb?
Maybe your not paying attention, but Geo and his legal council are tearing this case apart. So far they can disprove most of if not all of Sony's evidence.
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He did agree to a contract when signing up to PSN, and, wheen booting up the console there's a TOS and EULA. So, please, next fallacy...
The TOS and EULA doesn't hold up in court.. so...
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*Hotz's attorneys claim that he couldn't have known that Sony Computer Entertainment of America existed, since the manuals for his new PlayStation 3 remained sealed.*

So, what have we learnt here today? If you don't know about something, it no longer exists That's why when I go do something illegal, and nobody sees me, what I did no longer exists...

Oye, the logic behind that is completely incorrect.
To be honest, I had no idea either. I thought they were based primarily in Japan. That's not the point though. The point is whether he accepted a TOS from a company in Japan, or a company in California, in determining if the company has jurisdiction to try him in California.

If you did something that is illegal in one state, and not another, that one state can't say, 'hey we saw what you did. Come over here so we can try you where it's illegal.' I doubt he's going to get out of the jurisdiction thing tough.

Corporations to us citizens: "Guilty until proven innocent."
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I don't know why they even waste there time and money, I'm sure all these legal are really starting to add up for Sony
    
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I don't know why they even waste there time and money, I'm sure all these legal are really starting to add up for Sony
Especially is they lose and then get counter sued for damages, lost time, court fees, and maybe he has a mental breakdown from the stress of a billion dollar company attacking him with false accusations. If they win what do they get? Its not like George Hotz is worth much.
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It may be. But what his lawyer is trying to say is that the box should also mention that Sony also has a HQ in the States. As you know international laws are a gray area, especially when it relates to software infringements. Kind of like the FBI. They can screw you while you're in the states but step into another country and they have to rely on extradition and possibly even the CIA to get the accused back into their jurisdiction.

So if Sony is claiming that SCEA exists (which it does) GeoHotz' lawyer is trying to say how can you prove that SCEA owns the rights to this product when it doesn't even mention it anywhere.

GeoHotz lawyer seems like he's trying to get this pushed into international courts due to Sony being based in Japan. Things will get messy then, and quick.

I'm probably going wrong somewhere here but it seems like it could be a valid argument.
Please read the court documents first. Or at least try to be more analytical.

There are many different branches of American-incorporated Sony Divisions, some are in new jersey, some in deleware, etc. etc.

Sony pictures, Sony record label, Sony Japan, Sony Television etc. etc.

The Accuser not only has to prove that Geohot knew of SCEA, that he had malicious intent, and this is just to get tried in California. Everyone knows sony will win if this is Tried in California. (California has the most corrupt Judges in the nation)
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love this case...too funny
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