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Originally Posted by gooddog;12907593 
I think this is the weakest part of the story.
The neighbor got the PS.
But she was having problems with her ISP.
So she went next door and used Hotz's internet service to set up the account.
Oh, and while there, she decided to use Hotz's nickname to set up the account.

That doesn't sound like the most probable set of events to explain this.

Can SCEA prove otherwise? The burden of proof is upon the accuser.
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post #72 of 87
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Can SCEA prove otherwise? The burden of proof is upon the accuser.
+1, there could be a lot of ways for Sony to prove that Geohot signed up for a PSN account. However, they have brought NONE of that into the court. Why? They don't have the evidence. All the evidence they have is circumstantial and can't be explicitly proven.
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Originally Posted by blackbalt89 View Post
I don't think law breaking is the case with this argument. They're trying to prove that nowhere aside from inside the manual does it mention SCEA, who is the entity trying to sue him.

I believe that his lawyer is trying to budge jurisdiction from Sony America's home state of California to another jurisdiction, either New Jersey or Japan based on international laws.
Yup jurisdiction I agree with you there.
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
Prove it. Sony is trying really hard to... but can't.



Read the article. Laws differ from state-to-state and country-to-country.

So.... under which jursidication did he break the law (if there was a law against his action)?
Well put
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Originally Posted by Kick View Post
There is no proof he signed up for a PSN account,

As the article stated, if they had proof, it would have been in the courts already.

They have no solid evidence to bring Hotz down in the case.

So please, read the article before you comment
Maybe maybe not at least not much of which we are seeing in any case.
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Originally Posted by nathris View Post
The jurisdiction is important because Sony doesn't have a case. There is no way they can prove Hotz acted with malicious intent.

Sony is acting like he hacked into their headquarters and stole sensitive data. All the defense has to argue is that it was done to expose the flaw and potentially to restore lost functionality (Other OS)



DMCA allows white-hat hacking, and Hotz has explicitly stated several times that he doesn't condone, and has nothing to do with any form of piracy or copyright infringement.


The only way Sony can win this case is if the judge is bias, and where are you going to find a more biased judge than California?
Yes! I was wondering who was goign to bring up DMCA
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Originally Posted by Pheatton View Post
So is his lawyer trying to say that he did not do anything at all? This is completely absurd.

Correct me if Im wrong but when booting the console for the first time there is a TOS and EULA, correct?
I do not recall accepting any TOS or EULA when I turned on my launch PS3 60GB or my 120GB slim.

Also if this were a criminal case and this forum was a jury lol. The case would be thrown out because the jury is hung due to "beyond a reasonable doubt"

Anyways I'm going to re-read the article thanks for the info.
     
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post #74 of 87
TLDR;

"Ignorantia juris non excusat" - Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Lawyer took photo of PS3 - Possibly Hotz - claims serials don't match.

Neighbor went to house, may have randomly decided to do all the signing/labeling/sandwich making/dog walking/ partying Hotz would otherwise have been planning to do.


While it is disappointing to see a big corporation go after a little guy, it should be kept in mind that:

Little guy has potentially caused tens or hundreds of millions in damages, and this number multiplies if they don't stifle the problem quick as they can.

Large corporations retain lawyers for whatever they want. They're not "losing money" by any means by doing this - the lawyers have a minimum guaranteed wage.

Unless Hotz was walking around with a couple of crisp hundreds, they will have his card on file. Or if, for instance, he had points applied from the purchase on an account of his.

Hotz will inevitably lose. the jurisdiction really only determines how screwed he is. You shouldn't root for him anymore than you root for Sony. Sony made a disagreeable decision with many of you - that does not give you the arbitrary right to break the law. It does however give you the right to never purchase anything of theirs and make the group crash harder than FFXIV.
He announced he was going to break the law, was warned, broke the law, then did the single most damaging thing he could have done with it. And it can be presumed that if he is as successful a cracker as he is, he knew the consequences for himself, and for what the public would do with a released code.

And the end consumer gets ****ed either way. Imagine what kind of bizarre security features are now going to be implemented in game systems, and associated price increase from risk of theft, security coding, and etc.
    
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For some reason this whole debacle reminds me of the movie van wilder, the part where all the clubs join in to help van stay in school.
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Originally Posted by xxicrimsonixx View Post
*Hotz's attorneys claim that he couldn't have known that Sony Computer Entertainment of America existed, since the manuals for his new PlayStation 3 remained sealed.*

So, what have we learnt here today? If you don't know about something, it no longer exists That's why when I go do something illegal, and nobody sees me, what I did no longer exists...

Oye, the logic behind that is completely incorrect.
it's relating to jurisdiction, and allowing the case to be tried in California
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Sorry Officer I didn't know pooping in public was against the law.

It wont happen again.
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post #78 of 87
Wow it is apparent some people have not read the article or been keeping up with the events.

Sony has no real proof to bring the case to the courts in California. The case should go to NJ, which Sony does not want.
post #79 of 87
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it's relating to jurisdiction, and allowing the case to be tried in California
At least someone understands what's going on here.
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Wow I thought this this was a one sided battle. I see Geo Hotz has a very good lawyer. Not to mention the whole bit about his neighbor, brilliant.
He has a good lawyer, but he is representing himself.

That's what I like about this whole case.
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