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I don't really understand what's so bad about the gap... now there's a metal plate? Can't you just have put a reservoir there or something.
It bothers some people. The plate provides a mounting point and helps to stealth the gap and some wire and tube routing. I am going to mount a res on the plate. Mounting a res sans the mod would have placed it directly on the motherboard tray, would have removed some wire routing in terms of cleanliness, and would mean the res and pumps would either be hanging precariously off the far left edge, or had to move with the tray any time I chose to remove the motherboard.

The plate leaves the tray alone and functional imo. This mod might not be of use to some, but it might be of interest to others looking at the gap as a hindrance in their decision to purchase a Case Labs case.

BTW - your comment about just mounting a res over the gap is part of what prompted me to come up with this solution, so thanks! (as I believe you have posted that previously right)

*Edit* I think I see part of the problem - hard to visualize I guess since I failed to take a picture of what it looks like with the gap there while the motherboard tray and motherboard are installed.

So maybe this might help - I borrowed a few of the pictures from Juggalo's build to demonstrate visually



Here is a shot of his TH10 with a motherboard installed- for the purposes of this discussion the height doesn't matter but the depth of the case and size of the motherboard tray are exactly the same.



In an M8 or M10 this gap would not be much of a bother to me because the motherboard would visually fill a greater portion of the case and tray. As you see in his picture the motherboard does NOT do so and in my opinion it accentuates the barren area of the tray AND the gap at the end (even when the motherboard tray has its backing added to it - this still left alot of visually empty space in my opinion).

Here is a shot even with gpu's installed you can see how much visually open space is left. For some people this may not be a concern. For me normally it wouldn't be, BUT having spent this much on a case and having such a large side panel window on it, I want to have a decently appealing visual presentation. and looking through a window and seeing about 1/3rd of the space empty with a small gap at the end is not, again my opinion, the best visual presentation.



Now as you can compare with the pictures I took with the plate there the space doesn't instantly provide a hole or obvious empty tray to focus your eyes on initially. It will also be where I plan on mounting a reservoir and pumps (barring any other changes in plans as originally I planned on pumps being on the PSU side).

As you can see from the pictures filling up the plated portion will allow me to fill up the space with a cleaner visual (again my opinion lol) and I can keep that reservoir off the motherboard tray as well.





Again -is the modification needed? Nope, but all personal option and opinion. For me it solved multiple things. Clean mounting point so I can now possibly have reservoir and pumps on the motherboard side, helps to provide a small amount of cover to hide wires and tubes to a small degree. And gives it a different look without the gap while still leaving all the functionality of the slide out motherboard tray. Until I get an HPTX motherboard - then the plate has gotta go!



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Odds and Ends -So much for a vacation! - 29Apr2011


Well I had originally planned to have this build log wrapped up during this week that I had vacation - getting a fever and being sick most of the week as well as some other unplanned issues pretty much wrecked the week. But as seen from my last update it hasn't completely stopped me, merely slowed me down. Tonight I was planning on setting up my sli GPU blocks since the last piece I needed had just arrived this afternoon...but my daughter keeps waking up which forces me to NOT work on items with very small or expensive pieces

So decided to do a small update on little odds and ends.



First off these finally arrived so I can now dedicate some time to putting the waterblocks on (as I wanted to do everything in one shot when I did that this will now allow it!) Because I am using a Bloodrage GTI I needed to purchase single slot brackets to work around the odd configuration of the PCI-e slots on the motherboard (and the lack of Sata ports which required me to purchase a Sata controller/card)



Now my sleeved PSU, fans, and pumps should be arriving next week and then I can get this all wrapped up (crosses fingers)



After seeing that I don't know why everything can't come professionally sleeved for the consumer market

This was me earlier in the week installing the motherboard and the cpu waterblock





I love how the Swiftech Apogee XT Rev2 comes with everything you would need except the tubing and a loop itself- the wormclamps and the Arctic Ceramique are nice touches IMO



Since I had to relocate the Radiators to the outside underneath the extended covers I decided to finish dremeling the rest of the bracket on the fan controller to allow further routing of tubes and wires with greater ease.

Some painters tape and a sharpie got me setup.



Notice the safety glasses in the back of the shot - this is one geek that plans on keeping his eyeballs somewhat safe from flying metal debris when using his dremel!



Finished product after applying some sharpie to the ends (as I didn't want to go find any boot touchup paint or anything justused what I had and it looked decent!)





During this week my extended top also showed up! Woot! as always the packaging was immaculate.




Yes, that is a Gigabit switch mounted underneath the corner of my desk



The recessed points look nice and make certain there is some room between the top and whatever it will be hiding.







I took several pictures of the extended top to help inform a bit more on what it adds or brings to the table. Here is a comparison shot with it right next to the already mounted XSPC RX480 radiators.



These comparison shots should help people figure out the useable space a bit better ahead of time.







Now because I moved the radiators out of the case and I used a plate inside the motherboard side - I ended up providing myself some more room to mount the reservoir and pumps on the motherboard side, and in essence would have to replan my loop.

Originally this was the plan.



But with so many other parts in motion it changed it around after seeing what space I did in have in certain spots and what space I did not have. This then allowed me to get a little fancier.

I started be adding a hole for a fillport that would not always NEED to be connected. I found a location at the top of the case in between the radiators that would put the fillport inside the Motherboard chamber side. Once again using my Uni-bit the aluminum case was no match!



I then drilled another hole underneath the motherboard tray so as to run tubing from the PSu side to the motherboard side and provide a Quick Disconnect mounting point for the motherboard.



I then placed a Quick Disconnect up top with a low profile BP stop.





First step to my Fillport which will not always have to be there! Here you can see where the QDC once connected with its other side will come out.



And this will be all that is left whenever the fillport is removed because it is no longer needed.



Here is the QDC that will be right below the motherboard tray.



And the BP compression fitting on the opposite end.





I then tubed up the PSU side of the loop. I used 20mm extenders and then a pair of BP compression fittings.





Here is a copy of my new planned watercooling loop layout. The one thing I missed to add while in MS Paint was that when the water leaves the pumps on its way to the first radiator, there will be an inline QDC there - this way the reservoir and pump can be easily removed from the case just like the motherboard tray can! This I was proud of thinking up because it will allow easier replacement of pumps, reservoirs, and or flowmeter without disturbing large portions of the loop - it will also allow me to use the Fillport QDC tube as a Drain tube for the radiators! Also the pumps will be set up in series similar to as seen there (which is why I bought UN Mounts) the only difference is the first pump will be rotated so the line coming from the bottom of the reservoir will dump directly into the top inlet port on the first pump - the second pump will remain in the orientation shown since the line coming out of it will run straight up towards the first RX480 radiator with only a QDC in the way.





Hopefully I do not have too much restriction in the loop with all the various bends, Snake fittings, and 45 degree angles as well as several inline QDC's. But once again, thanks to the layout if this is the case I will be able to replace the pumps with something better suited with a slight bit of ease (I hope as this is all planning stage and not reality as of yet!)



So once my newly sleeved pumps and PSU show up it will be time to wrap up the show and do some leak testing!

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Looking good. I like the idea of the plate sealing the gap to give another mounting point besides the mobo tray.
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As do I. I am somewhat confused as to why the gap has been left in the motherboard tray.... I myself am somewhat anally retentive and dislike the gap...I will probably look into using some white plexi to fill the gap in though
I am however surprised you added the fillport instead of just purchasing a large syringe (Like this http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...ducts_id=21174) to put water into the res as you would need to open the case to connect the DQ and insert the fillport connection anyway

EDIT: Was the backplate for the gap behind the motherboard extra or did it come included with the case?
Edited by SkItZo - 5/2/11 at 11:26am
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As do I. I am somewhat confused as to why the gap has been left in the motherboard tray.... I myself am somewhat anally retentive and dislike the gap...I will probably look into using some white plexi to fill the gap in though
EDIT: Was the backplate for the gap behind the motherboard extra or did it come included with the case?
I requested a plate from Jim at Case Labs and explained the general idea of what I wanted to do with it. So it arrived with my accessories as an extra. When I asked for it I thought I would need to cut it down some but ended up not having to. But that was how I got the plate - you may have to ask Case Labs for one if you intend to do the same - or you might be able to repurpose one of the plates covering the fan and radiator mount points if you are doing something smaller.

Again this was just a crazy thought on my part that I didn't share until after I was able to verify that it would even look good and provide picture proof so anyone interested in doing this may need to ask Case Labs!

I did the QDC fillport only because it would be a rare occurrence to use it for one and for me if I was to use the fillport I would likely also be draining the system in the process for maintenance. So the case would be open anyways. And if I ever find it to be a pain I will just connect a more permanent line as I also have a BP fillport fitting that would fit in the hole. It was one of those I wanted to try out something different kind of things and make as much of the system modular as possible even if I went with a more permanent solution Currently the way I have it laid out with WDC's both the motherboard, the reservoir and pumps, and the rads comprise 3 separate parts with the mobo and pumps/res completely removable without having to drain the loop.
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sigged to this for sure! I have not had a chance to look through the entire thread yet, but I will when I can for sure! I don't think I need to read the whole thread to tell you nice job with the mod so far.
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SLI Scubadiving! - 03May2011


Well last night I finally got a free moment with zero interruptions, so I took the opportunity to install the AquaGrafx waterblocks onto the pair of GTX480's I have planned for this build. This would be interesting since I had never removed GPU blocks before this. Also One GTX480 was a reference EVGA and the other GTX480 was an MSI Twin Frozr II. So here are some quick shots with my commentary!


First up was the reference EVGA GTX480. I decided I wanted to try that one first and see what the word was on these infamous screws that everyone strips.



I tested out several sized screw tips and ended up with a medium sized one. It filled the philips head the most and I could feel good solid contact all the way down and around, when I tried smaller screw tips there was wiggle room that I didn't like.



Now when I first started trying to unscrew one from the back, I could feel and see the head slowly stripping. When this happened I took a step back and tried to see what I was doing wrong before causing a bigger mess. I then remembered that patience and proper force application helps avoid stripping screws...usually. So I changed the way I was positioned and leaned my weight over the workspace, pressed my open palm down on the top of the screw handle and then used the other hand to slowly turn the screw. This resulted in a very easy removal and no drama with any of the screws.



I may have been lucky as I didn't seem to see an excessive amount of lock-tite either.. One thing I did note is that on the reference cooler I had to be careful on the end of the card - because the cooler is not flat when I applied downward force while extracting screws I ALMOST knifed the PCB and myself with the screwdriver when it slipped (the GPU rocked slightly and it all went to hell!). After that lil episode I took that into account and adjusted the direction of force and slightly wedged an item underneath.



After all the screws came off and I pushed in all the plastic retainer tabs the cooler came off with ease -a small twist and light tug and it was clear. NOTE - the reference cooler is two parts! the plastic part and then the heatsink part. Although they might come off together they might not - do not be surprised when this happens or avoid dangling it over the gpu PCB after removal or else something might fall apart in your hands unexpectedly.






The MSI Twin Frozr II came off even easier as it had less screws holding it's cooler on.




After cleaning off the old thermal tape and the GPU I was ready to mount. The hardest part about mounting the block was blindly lining up the spacers that were provided. That and removing the foam strip on the back of the reference PCB- as this got in the way of a proper fit for the backplate on the Waterblock.







Removable motherboard trays make life SOOOO easy. In this picture I installed the cards and had to remove their fittings to add the SLI connector - those lil gaskets are tiny and fragile looking!



Finished product!



I ended up using single slot brackets since I had to insert a Sata controller card in the slot directly below the last GPU. This honestly gave it a cleaner appearance too!



This waterblock looked sexy as I slid the tray back in place.



The PCB originally looked bent to me and when I was uninstalling I was able to verify they both were! Oddly enough mounting the waterblocks straightened out most of that.




So now since Fedex let me know that my PSU cables and pumps won't arrive until Friday I had a lil self pity cry... in my mind... and then went about tubing up the QDC and the CPU block until the rest of my junk shows up!








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Is that like the EK bridge where the inlet and outlet need to be on opposite sides? If so you might see some high temps. If not, sorry for spamming Looking great so far!
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Is that like the EK bridge where the inlet and outlet need to be on opposite sides? If so you might see some high temps. If not, sorry for spamming Looking great so far!
Nope, or at least not according to the information provided in the install manual, and their pictures

Although now you have me questioning if I installed it correctly
    
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Ok double checked the pictures, the connector itself, and the install directions. Looks like I did it correctly hehehe.


    
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