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You're using Arch. I have absolutely no such issues with 270.41.06 and xorg 1.10.1 on Fedora.
Yeah I can vouch for that too. My debian system is rock solid where my Arch system has glitches. Again, another problem with rolling release. Though I'm fortunate to just have annoying glitches. And since nothing has angered me enough I'm keeping arch for a while. =P
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Yeah I can vouch for that too. My debian system is rock solid where my Arch system has glitches. Again, another problem with rolling release. Though I'm fortunate to just have annoying glitches. And since nothing has angered me enough I'm keeping arch for a while. =P
Arch doesn't lie about what it is - it's not designed for people who want a stable system all the time, and it's not for people who don't want to have to get down and dirty with it when needs be.
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You're using Arch. I have absolutely no such issues with 270.41.06 and xorg 1.10.1 on Fedora.
Yeah, I'm slowly working them out...The only problem is that I love the single rc.conf file for modules, etc and pacman so much, otherwise I'd probably be on Linux Mint Debian.

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Arch doesn't lie about what it is - it's not designed for people who want a stable system all the time, and it's not for people who don't want to have to get down and dirty with it when needs be.
Indeed, while sometimes I wish that there was an option for more stable packages (Arch was rock solid with the 260 nVidia drivers for me), it's kind of nice learning how to do all of the config stuff.

That said, I have a feeling there's other bugs here.
    
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Arch doesn't lie about what it is - it's not designed for people who want a stable system all the time, and it's not for people who don't want to have to get down and dirty with it when needs be.
I understand that but after years of dealing with getting down and dirty you start to have a huge appreciation for software that just works. It gets annoying when something like, oh, they decide to switch completely over to udev. Dropping xfree86 for Xorg was another "fun" transition. Thing is, I know how to do all that if I really want. I just don't care to go into CLI over and over and over again because something isn't implemented right.

With that said I do use cli, all the time as it's easier. I just like having the ability to push a button and be hands free, it does allow you to enjoy your system a little bit more at times. [edit] I also like software that is stable and works. It's nice to boot into a system you know isn't slow or sluggish and that won't crash.
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In terms of crashing and speed, Arch is perfectly fine for me, I just get random display and input related errors. (Eg. USB problems in Virtualbox)
    
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Yeah, I'm slowly working them out...The only problem is that I love the single rc.conf file for modules, etc and pacman so much, otherwise I'd probably be on Linux Mint Debian.



Indeed, while sometimes I wish that there was an option for more stable packages (Arch was rock solid with the 260 nVidia drivers for me), it's kind of nice learning how to do all of the config stuff.

That said, I have a feeling there's other bugs here.
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I understand that but after years of dealing with getting down and dirty you start to have a huge appreciation for software that just works. It gets annoying when something like, oh, they decide to switch completely over to udev. Dropping xfree86 for Xorg was another "fun" transition. Thing is, I know how to do all that if I really want. I just don't care to go into CLI over and over and over again because something isn't implemented right.

With that said I do use cli, all the time as it's easier. I just like having the ability to push a button and be hands free, it does allow you to enjoy your system a little bit more at times. [edit] I also like software that is stable and works. It's nice to boot into a system you know isn't slow or sluggish and that won't crash.
True, but if Arch did the whole 'just works' thing, it wouldn't be so good at what it does.
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And that's exactly why I don't really care too much about the lack of one.
    
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Yeah I can vouch for that too. My debian system is rock solid where my Arch system has glitches. Again, another problem with rolling release. Though I'm fortunate to just have annoying glitches. And since nothing has angered me enough I'm keeping arch for a while. =P
Each has their purposes; I use Arch on my desktop because I want to tinker and be more up to date and I use Debian stable on my server because I don't want to tinker and maintain.
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You know what? Gnome 3 isn't that bad.

Its still missing some stuff, but aside from some annoying bugs like taking down networkmanager and putting my laptop in "airplane mode" every time I log in its a very fluid UI. Its still way less buggy than any other DE I've used.

You just have to get used to not having a panel. Pressing the super/windows key works very much like Expose on OSX, and once you train yourself to use the search function instead of navigating the menus its fairly speedy.
    
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True, but if Arch did the whole 'just works' thing, it wouldn't be so good at what it does.
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Each has their purposes; I use Arch on my desktop because I want to tinker and be more up to date and I use Debian stable on my server because I don't want to tinker and maintain.
Eventually that all gets old, real old. Especially when you decide to clean out your system and set it up again. It could take me hours to get a system where I want it, where as I know it can be done in debian within 1 1/2 hours (or less). Quick, simple, working system with the same speed advantages.

Arch could do the whole "it works" thing while still keeping their vanilla code. They use different init scripts and don't modify the code as much keeping it more vanilla/pure. It would still be just as fast, they don't because they choose not too.
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