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why not do it again, do a USB add-on or something.
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that's what i meant, you think a Pentium 4 is fast when it's not. I just didn't know any better back then.
     
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The problem with todays consoles (if we can truly call it a problem) is that it's become more of a social network and one stop shop with storefronts, DL content, apps, etc similar to that of PC's. If those had never been implemented into the console genre, I think we would already be in a new console generation 1-3 years ago. But because they are there, consoles continually generate revenue giving console and game developers no incentive to find the next best thing. How exactly do you get millions of people to believe they need the latest and greatest when what they have already does so much, not to mention what many people have already invested into their consoles?

We're not exactly talking about consoles of yesterday that the average user only purchased games and possibley one or two gimmick controllers for their consoles. MS/Sony would have to make just about everything available from DL content to movies I've purchased already for me to feel justified purchasing a new generation console.

I'm constantly badgering my friends and brother to move to the PC. It's not working. They've had jaw dropping experiences with PC games first hand on my rig and still even come to my house occasionally to play games on it. I've offered to help build them one for a modest cost or shown them what they need to upgrade their current desktop....but to no avail. Even as I constantly remind them that they would have a PC to play games already as I tally the cost of these new games they keep buying at $60 bucks a pop....they aren't having it.

There's something about the addictive nature of Xbox/PS3 interface that won't let them go. Some of it had to do with the controller vs K&M, some of it had to do with it not being convenient (plug and play), intimidation, or.......saying good by to their achievements/Trophies???

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Anyway, I still find peace and satisfaction in both. My honest suggestion to those worried about console gaming holding back PC gaming in terms of graphics....ba humbug. PC graphics always trump consoles, even if it's ported. PC graphics have to hit a plateau somewhere and I much rather it be at the level it is now over 2006 graphics.
Edited by dedmonwakin - 3/29/11 at 1:19pm
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So many things became wrong with this generation of consoles. Rise in prices, decline in quality, DLC, etc..
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Sony and Microsoft should develop upgradeable consoles and add graphics options to their console games, then there doesn't have to be dumbed down console ports.
That would be too complicated for all the technology-handicapped lazy console jocks out there.
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hmm, what are these jocks we speak of?
     
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Even that hamster's pure muscle will be more powerful than the xbox gpu, plug 'er in!

and there IS achievements on Steam if they want that so badly, and a lot of Steam titles accept xbox controllers, especially the Unreal Engine 3 games.
     
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my guess is the whole plug & play part appeals to the majority of people. Just go out there, buy some game and don't worry about system specs and whatnot.
You just can't screw consoles up like you can on a PC. Worst case it RROD's on you and you go out and RMA it or buy a new one. That's simple enough for most people to grasp.
Some of the folks just don't want to care about all that technical mumbo jumbo that comes naturally with PC gaming, maybe they are even frightened to some degree by the complexity or just plain stupid.
Maybe I should go somewhere and fossilize but the first thing I ****ed up back then was to re-install Win 3.1 on my first 486, only to be told by the vendor that stuff like that shouldn't be done by a user. Needless to say things went downhill from there, or else I wouldn't have ended up here. All the tech stuff basically stayed the same, just the numbers got bigger over the years and the plugs got more colorful, yay. It takes effort to get along with all that stuff and most people are probably too lazy to climb the initial learning curves just to have fun after work.

Now I'm far from advocating consoles. Overall graphics development is slowed down by the old hardware and there's genres that just don't belong there. All those half assed cross-platform FPS console ports make baby kittens sad. I flatly refuse to cripple my brain to smoking rubble and play that with a gamepad. I'd only throw the pad against the nearest wall in frustration and since they're wireless now they fly pretty far mind you. The only thing I use my consoles for is basically some JRPG's every now and then because you just don't get those on the PC. I'm way too hooked onto the genre for as long as I can remember.
I'm losing coherency here, guess I'll get some sleep.

PS: the hamster kicks ass
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The problem with todays consoles (if we can truly call it a problem) is that it's become more of a social network and one stop shop with storefronts, DL content, apps, etc similar to that of PC's. If those had never been implemented into the console genre, I think we would already be in a new console generation 1-3 years ago. But because they are there, consoles continually generate revenue giving console and game developers no incentive to find the next best thing. How exactly do you get millions of people to believe they need the latest and greatest when what they have already does so much, not to mention what many people have already invested into their consoles?

We're not exactly talking about consoles of yesterday that the average user only purchased games and possibley one or two gimmick controllers for their consoles. MS/Sony would have to make just about everything available from DL content to movies I've purchased already for me to feel justified purchasing a new generation console.

I'm constantly badgering my friends and brother to move to the PC. It's not working. They've had jaw dropping experiences with PC games first hand on my rig and still even come to my house occasionally to play games on it. I've offered to help build them one for a modest cost or shown them what they need to upgrade their current desktop....but to no avail. Even as I constantly remind them that they would have a PC to play games already as I tally the cost of these new games they keep buying at $60 bucks a pop....they aren't having it.

There's something about the addictive nature of Xbox/PS3 interface that won't let them go. Some of it had to do with the controller vs K&M, some of it had to do with it not being convenient (plug and play), intimidation, or.......saying good by to their achievements/Trophies???

For me, it was easy to be honest, I was quite tired of being bothered on the xbox and hiding from people on my friends list or random people trying to be my friend, or sending me a message telling me how much of a douche I am from a previous match. That stuff got pretty old, cause I'm somewhat of a casual gamer (although my libraries say different) and gaming is my tool for winding down, not to get wound up...(although PC gaming does get me wound up with the occasional troubleshooting.)

Anyway, I still find peace and satisfaction in both. My honest suggestion to those worried about console gaming holding back PC gaming in terms of graphics....ba humbug. PC graphics always trump consoles, even if it's ported. PC graphics have to hit a plateau somewhere and I much rather it be at the level it is now over 2006 graphics.
I think it's:
Plug and Play - People love the simplicity of it. No components to install, no OS to install, it's not nearly as intimidating as putting together a PC. You connect the colored wires to the colored ports on your TV, plug the console into the outlet on the wall and-done. It's extremely simple and straight-forward.

Social - There's no doubt about it, the Xbox LIVE community is MUCH more social than the PC gaming community. There is always someone talking in a match on Xbox LIVE, and if you're one of those people who don't like to socialize with strangers, you can add some of your friends from your friends list to your Xbox LIVE party and talk to them while you're all playing the same game or even a different one. It's a lot more lively and fun when you're talking to someone while playing a game.

Cost - The cost of a PC to play games well is more than what you can get an Xbox 360 or PS3 for nowadays. Most people don't realize that in the long run, you save more on the PC. You don't have to pay for Xbox LIVE, games are typically cheaper, and on top of all that, with digital distribution you can even download a game again for free if you lose it or scratched the disc. People tend to only think about the upfront costs versus the long term cost. That's one of the reasons it took my parents so long to upgrade to an Energy Efficient washer and dryer.

Ignorance - I don't know how it started, but apparently theres some feud with PC gamers and console gamers. I have heard many people say "Oh PC gaming is retarded, it just sucks" and when I ask them why they don't have a good reason. When someone asks me if I played a game and I say "Yep, I own it for PC" they respond with " Oh that sucks, aren't the graphics worse?" It blows my mind to hear such things, I think it's because when people hear PC game, they immediately think some crappy flash game, some ****ty facebook game, or some free game they play on their home PC, which probably has intergrated graphics. I once had a friend say "I'm going to switch consoles." I suggested PC, since he wanted to do commentaries as well and he could simply download FRAPS to record gameplay instead of paying $200+ for a Hauppage that only records in 1080i and he said "No, if anything I'll switch to Xbox instead."

PC gaming isn't really commercial enough either. I think we need to go the console route. Large companies need to start making a PC that is meant to game, but for a low price. It can have Windows installed on it, but the overlay is some sort of GUI, like Steam or something. It should have the ability to hook up to a TV and use a game pad as an alternative to M/KB as well.
Also, developers need to jump onboard and start making their games compatible for that hardware, but at the same time making it so that their games look and run great on a normal PC. It's all about optimization.

PC gaming needs a new image, really. The success of consoles is way too large for PC gaming to combat at the moment.

EDIT: Oh, and I would love to have a better in-game overlay for Steam. I think it needs an overhaul. And group chat would be nice.

There is also too many clients for the PC. Xbox has one, it's Xbox LIVE. That's it. Sure there may be stuff like EA connect or whatever the hell it's called, but it has to abide by LIVE regulations so it's pretty much not there. PS3 has Playstation Network. It's going to have steam, but that's all I know of, I don't own a PS3 so I cannot speak much on it. The Wii has like Nintendo Connect or something. I don't know, I haven't spent much time with it, but when I do use it, I realize how much of a mess it is so I really won't even count it. The PC has GFWL, Steam, xFire, and I'm sure theres many more. If there was just one universal client, it would make it much better in my opinion, and this may be one of the reason many people flock to the consoles instead of the PC.
Edited by xJavontax - 3/29/11 at 11:48pm
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OP, do you actually own the game?
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