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So that's my budget. My old man just bought a D3100 a couple weeks ago, and to my great surprise decided to spring for a similar cam to reward me for my upcoming M.S.E. graduation

Here's my question. I know the entry-level Nikon series doesn't have an onboard AF motor, which would (in theory) limit my ability to grow into this field with new lenses. What is you guys' take on this? I really would love to get serious about photography now that my schooling is finally over and I can actually have free time.

My alternative would be the entry-level Canon series. I haven't seen solid specs, but the things I've read seem to indicate they have onboard AF motors in the body. Also, the D3100 doesn't have bracketing, which is something I'd really like to experiment with.

What would be the best camera in this price range for the aspiring DSLR noob? I'd love it to last me well into my subject-matter-expert years.

Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Have you think about m43 cameras? Almost the same sensor size as entry lvl DSLR but much smaller body I love them, and size does matter Also everything else is pretty much the same...dedicated controls, shutter speed, interchangeable lenses...

M43 on amazon...great prices...GF2 is 700$ w/14mm lenses [28mm on 35 equivalent]...
http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=2322738011

More about m43 pros/cons...
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/...tch-your-dslr/
Sensor size...

Edited by Komder - 3/29/11 at 4:29pm
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So that's my budget. My old man just bought a D3100 a couple weeks ago, and to my great surprise decided to spring for a similar cam to reward me for my upcoming M.S.E. graduation

Here's my question. I know the entry-level Nikon series doesn't have an onboard AF motor, which would (in theory) limit my ability to grow into this field with new lenses. What is you guys' take on this? I really would love to get serious about photography now that my schooling is finally over and I can actually have free time.

My alternative would be the entry-level Canon series. I haven't seen solid specs, but the things I've read seem to indicate they have onboard AF motors in the body. Also, the D3100 doesn't have bracketing, which is something I'd really like to experiment with.

What would be the best camera in this price range for the aspiring DSLR noob? I'd love it to last me well into my subject-matter-expert years.

Any advice would be much appreciated.
Nikon has been doing a good job pushing out new AF-S lenses. Since your father just bought a D3100, I'm assuming he doesn't have any legacy glass, so the lack of AF motor isn't too much of a problem in my opinion. Nikon has some good AF-S lenses out there. The 35mm f/1.8 for example is a great lens, is AF-S unlike the 50mm f/1.8, and the 35mm focal length is much more useful on crop in my opinion.

Then of course since he has already graduated and has his own career, there's always the possibility that he'll spring for some nice gear you can't afford, and with a Nikon mount you'd be able to borrow his own gear. Seeing as how he currently shoots a D3100, the lack of AF motor also bothers him as well so I'd doubt he'd go for an AF lens that can't autofocus.

For Nikon, I'd definitely recommend the D3100 for you as well. It's an excellent camera for the money, in my opinion. Add on the kit AF-S 18-55mm VR and the AF-S 35mm f/1.8 and you've a great combo!

As for Canon, none of Canon's bodies have an in-body AF motor. However, all of Canon's lenses have an in-lens AF motor, negating the need for the in-body motor. This means that if it says "EF" or "EF-S", the lens will autofocus on your entry level Canon.

For Canon, I'd recommend the T2i that you can grab via Canon Loyalty Program for $511.99 with the 18-55mm IS kit lens. There's newer models out like the Canon T3i, but personally I'm not a fan of it since all it adds is a swivel screen and integrated flash commander (image sensor is the same one used in the T2i) for a price hike. With Canon, you can add on the 50mm f/1.8 for $100 on top of that.

Between these two choices, I'd go with Nikon. While both cameras are excellent, the fact that your dad is going Nikon (and probably has a bigger disposable income than you) is a plus, especially if he's one to go for nicer lenses you can't afford yet.


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Have you think about m43 cameras? Almost the same sensor size as entry lvl DSLR but much smaller body I love them, and size does matter

Read the article...
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/...tch-your-dslr/
I've personally found them uncomfortable to use, really. Maybe I'm just used to my 50D, but the controls/ergonomics is a bit cramped for me and isn't as comfortable shooting with as with my 50D. So far I've tried out the NEX-3, NEX-5, and E-PL2.

It's definitely more compact, but it's still too bulky for those instances where I can't take my DSLR as well (such as snowboarding). Even though the body is smaller, with the pancake lens it's still too bulky and at risk of breaking with those circumstances where a DSLR would also be too big.

Just my two cents.
Edited by r31ncarnat3d - 3/29/11 at 4:28pm
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I have, actually. The new mirrorless cameras are rumoring around to be the eventual replacement of the DSLR, but I'm pretty old-school. SLR technology is mature and gorgeous, and size/portability isn't a factor for me. I'm a big scenery buff, so my future is filled more with Denali Range photos than shooting pics around the house
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I have, actually. The new mirrorless cameras are rumoring around to be the eventual replacement of the DSLR, but I'm pretty old-school. SLR technology is mature and gorgeous, and size/portability isn't a factor for me. I'm a big scenery buff, so my future is filled more with Denali Range photos than shooting pics around the house
I'm not sure where you heard that from but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case. Ergonomics and button layout matter a lot with photography (or at least with me), and it's something that the m4/3 system compromises. My 50D may be bulky, but I can't imagine shooting without the rear wheel for aperture control, or my joystick for direct AF point selection. Then of course there's the electronic viewfinder (I'd much prefer an optical one) and the fact that the sensor sits exposed without a mirror (a huge issue for prime shooters like myself who changes lenses often). As far as I know, m4/3 may be the new entry-level, but seasoned photogs will still continue to buy DSLRs. It may be old tech, but it simply works.
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I have Pana G1 and I like it...I also had GF1 but I missed the dedicated controls and you're right when you say that anything but 20mm pancake increase the bulkiness...still its a lot smaller than T2i a friend of mine have

Portability wise I have Nokia N8 [yea I know its a phone] but it beats compacts in some instances...and its a phone...

In the end, if you want best pics you will stick to DSLR. On the side note I hate Sony NEX cameras
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Awesome ~ r31, you really must have a knack for putting situations into context. This whole world is new for me, and hearing someone talk about this stuff like it's their element is extremely comforting.

I was leaning towards the Nikon myself - just because I had an old point-and-shoot that I've taken to hades and back and it's performed GLORIOUSLY. And the D3100 simply feels good to hold and to shoot.

+R, friend. I'd buy you a beer if I could.
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We are here to help each other

I have Pana G1 and I like it...I also had GF1 but I missed the dedicated controls and you're right when you say that anything but 20mm pancake increase the bulkiness...still its a lot smaller than T2i a friend of mine have

Portability wise I have Nokia N8 [yea I know its a phone] but it beats compacts in some instances...and its a phone...

In the end, if you want best pics you will stick to DSLR. On the side note I hate Sony NEX cameras
Yea, personally I am looking forward to how the tech will turn out in the future, but as of right now I don't see it as a viable option for myself.

But if they ever manage to fit that sensor into a point and shoot package like the S95, I'll be the first guy in line

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Awesome ~ r31, you really must have a knack for putting situations into context. This whole world is new for me, and hearing someone talk about this stuff like it's their element is extremely comforting.

I was leaning towards the Nikon myself - just because I had an old point-and-shoot that I've taken to hades and back and it's performed GLORIOUSLY. And the D3100 simply feels good to hold and to shoot.

+R, friend. I'd buy you a beer if I could.
Thanks When you start racking up shutter actuations on your camera, you start to realize what works and what doesn't, and what you yourself prefer.

If you love the ergonomics of the Nikon and since your dad shoots Nikon, honestly I don't see a reason to go Canon then. Ergonomics + lens selection are two of the biggest factors I personally consider when looking at systems. Given how the D3100 has excellent value as well, I think you should pull the trigger on that. If you want some expanded lenses, the 35mm f/1.8 is great for portraits/low light/narrow DoF, whereas the 55-200mm VR (don't get the non-VR!) is great for telephoto capabilities. That said, I highly recommend you get it with just the 18-55mm VR kit lens for now, and see where your needs are, since not everyone needs the same things (like how I don't use telephotos since I don't need them).

And as for the beer, I'd appreciate it, but you might need to chat with the cops afterwards (I'm 20)
Edited by r31ncarnat3d - 3/29/11 at 4:41pm
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I'm not sure where you heard that from but I'm pretty sure that isn't the case. Ergonomics and button layout matter a lot with photography (or at least with me), and it's something that the m4/3 system compromises. My 50D may be bulky, but I can't imagine shooting without the rear wheel for aperture control, or my joystick for direct AF point selection. Then of course there's the electronic viewfinder (I'd much prefer an optical one) and the fact that the sensor sits exposed without a mirror (a huge issue for prime shooters like myself who changes lenses often). As far as I know, m4/3 may be the new entry-level, but seasoned photogs will still continue to buy DSLRs. It may be old tech, but it simply works.
It's all about preferences ...GF1/GF2/and all Oly cameras lack dedicated controls and honestly I don't know why would anyone buy them...portability maybe w/20mm pancakes...I had GF1 sold it and bought G1 just because of ergonomics?

On the other hand I find G1/G2/G10/GH1 very pleasant to use...and I mean very pleasant... coming from Canon or Nikon to G1 for example will be a problem...simply because you're used to Canon controls [especially if you're a long term Canon/Nikon user]...same thing when I switch keyboards...they are different...

The main problem I see with m43 would be the lack of optical viewfinder...other than that there are no serious issues.
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I just want to say welcome to this expensive hobby! You'll love your DSLR that's for sure!
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