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Hey everyone.
I've been looking to build a new PC for awhile.
I've done a lot of researching lately and know what I'm doing for the most part, but any recommendations, hardware switches, or things to note would be greatly appreciated.

CPU- Phenom 2 x4 955 Black Edition
CPU Cooler - CORSAIR CAFA70
Motherboard - ASRock 870 Extreme3, AM3, ATX
GPU- Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1GB
RAM- G.SKILL Ripjaw, (2 x 2gb), DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666), unbrushed
PSU- CORSAIR 650TX / 650WT
HDD- Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB / 7200 RPM /
DVD Drive - ASUS Black
OS- Win7

I'd love for anyone to review the build for incompatibilities/recommendations before I order.

Also this came to mind. Currently I have 2x2gb 1333 ram in one of the dual channels. The motherboard supports 1600, but only when the ram is overclocked. Would I be able to get 2x2gb 1600 ram and keep only that channel overclocked all the time?
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Hey everyone.
I've been looking to build a new PC for awhile.
I've done a lot of researching lately and know what I'm doing for the most part, but any recommendations, hardware switches, or things to note would be greatly appreciated.

CPU- Phenom 2 x4 955 Black Edition
CPU Cooler - CORSAIR CAFA70
Motherboard - ASRock 870 Extreme3, AM3, ATX
GPU- Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1GB
RAM- G.SKILL Ripjaw, (2 x 2gb), DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666), unbrushed
PSU- CORSAIR 650TX / 650WT
HDD- Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB / 7200 RPM /
DVD Drive - ASUS Black
OS- Win7

I'd love for anyone to review the build for incompatibilities/recommendations before I order.

Also this came to mind. Currently I have 2x2gb 1333 ram in one of the dual channels. The motherboard supports 1600, but only when the ram is overclocked. Would I be able to get 2x2gb 1600 ram and keep only that channel overclocked all the time?
About the last question- Yes, you should be able to set the same clock to all DIMMs, but bare in min that it will severely limit your RAM OC due to the slower, less OCable 1333 boards.
Otherwise, i will soon be building the same setup! Everything seems good

Just have in mind, this mobo does not support dual 16x PCI-e, so you won't be able to get all the juice from an eventual CF setup!!
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About the last question- Yes, you should be able to set the same clock to all DIMMs, but bare in min that it will severely limit your RAM OC due to the slower, less OCable 1333 boards.
Otherwise, i will soon be building the same setup! Everything seems good

Just have in mind, this mobo does not support dual 16x PCI-e, so you won't be able to get all the juice from an eventual CF setup!!
Thanks for the reply!

I'll probably end up getting another of the same 2x2 eventually.
Also I'll probably not do CF for this build, 'less i get a new motherboard later, but I'll see.
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Originally Posted by Gen-Ross View Post
Hey everyone.
I've been looking to build a new PC for awhile.
I've done a lot of researching lately and know what I'm doing for the most part, but any recommendations, hardware switches, or things to note would be greatly appreciated.

CPU- Phenom 2 x4 955 Black Edition
CPU Cooler - CORSAIR CAFA70
Motherboard - ASRock 870 Extreme3, AM3, ATX
GPU- Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1GB
RAM- G.SKILL Ripjaw, (2 x 2gb), DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666), unbrushed
PSU- CORSAIR 650TX / 650WT
HDD- Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB / 7200 RPM /
DVD Drive - ASUS Black
OS- Win7

I'd love for anyone to review the build for incompatibilities/recommendations before I order.

Also this came to mind. Currently I have 2x2gb 1333 ram in one of the dual channels. The motherboard supports 1600, but only when the ram is overclocked. Would I be able to get 2x2gb 1600 ram and keep only that channel overclocked all the time?
Where's the case, lol? Apart from that, there are some things I would change, starting with the PSU. The Antec TruePower New 750W has higher power delivery, higher efficiency, and two more PCI-E connectors. It's also just as reliable. It costs less, too.

The Heatsink is too expensive for what it is. The Scythe Mugen 2 will give you lower temps. and is also quieter. If you plan on getting a tower heatsink, though, you should get a bigger mid-tower like an HAF 912 or the like.

For the RAM, get these. They're better.

That motherboard (or rather, the 870 chipset) is too limited. You should consider getting something like Asus M4A79XTD EVO if you want a motherboard that has better power delivery and features. Having a better motherboard can help when you're OCing your CPU and will also be more reliable. Another plus is that this motherboard will allow you to CrossFire the Radeon HD 6870, thus making it more future proof.

If you want for the build to cost the same as before and still be better, then swap out the Antec TPN-750 PSU for the 650W version. It's still better than the Corsair because it has two more PCI-E connectors and will also be able to handle the over-clocked CPU and the Radeon HD 6870 CrossFire well.

As for everything else, it's good.
    
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I didn't see a case in the build... do you need one?

Looks like you are at ~$800 with win7 at the moment...

Lets see if I can help you get a little more for your money...
     
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Where's the case, lol? Apart from that, there are some things I would change, starting with the PSU. The Antec TruePower New 750W has higher power delivery, higher efficiency, and two more PCI-E connectors. It's also just as reliable. It costs less, too.

The Heatsink is too expensive for what it is. The Scythe Mugen 2 will give you lower temps. and is also quieter. If you plan on getting a tower heatsink, though, you should get a bigger mid-tower like an HAF 912 or the like.

For the RAM, get these. They're better.

That motherboard (or rather, the 870 chipset) is too limited. You should consider getting something like Asus M4A79XTD EVO if you want a motherboard that has better power delivery and features. Having a better motherboard can help when you're OCing your CPU and will also be more reliable. Another plus is that this motherboard will allow you to CrossFire the Radeon HD 6870, thus making it more future proof.

If you want for the build to cost the same as before and still be better, then swap out the Antec TPN-750 PSU for the 650W version. It's still better than the Corsair because it has two more PCI-E connectors and will also be able to handle the over-clocked CPU and the Radeon HD 6870 CrossFire well.

As for everything else, it's good.
Man, a lot of info to digest at once haha.

So first, you suggested two psu's, which one do you suggest?
I picked the other one because it was 70$ with the mail in rebate.
But with 4 pci-e's, i guess it would be better for crossfire and more amps on the 12v.

As far as the case, I had it on my build list but don't know why I didn't put it on here lol. But it was in fact the one you suggested. You mentioned something along the lines that it could replace the CPU cooler because it's a tower cooler? That true?
On another forum a couple people suggested the Cooler Master hyper 212
Opinion?
Related: That scythe is a freaking...monster.

Motherboard: I do like the fact that the one you suggested supports 1600 ram without overclocking, but as far as the cf goes, In the specs it says it can only hold up to a dual x8 cf link, or one x16. Which is the same as my choice. I guess it does have more features however.
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Man, a lot of info to digest at once haha.

So first, you suggested two psu's, which one do you suggest?
I picked the other one because it was 70$ with the mail in rebate.
But with 4 pci-e's, i guess it would be better for crossfire and more amps on the 12v.

As far as the case, I had it on my build list but don't know why I didn't put it on here lol. But it was in fact the one you suggested. You mentioned something along the lines that it could replace the CPU cooler because it's a tower cooler? That true?
On another forum a couple people suggested the Cooler Master hyper 212
Opinion?
Related: That scythe is a freaking...monster.

Motherboard: I do like the fact that the one you suggested supports 1600 ram without overclocking, but as far as the cf goes, In the specs it says it can only hold up to a dual x8 cf link, or one x16. Which is the same as my choice. I guess it does have more features however.
I suggested the two PSUs depending on what you want. If you want higher power at a slightly higher cost, get the 750W. If you want for the build to be equal in price to the one you posted, then get the 650W. If you already got the Corsair TX-650, then get a Radeon HD 6850 if you want to CrossFire.

The motherboard you posted only has 16x and 4x PCI-E links. 8x and 8x deliver much better performance. At 2560x1600, based on a study Tom's Hardware did recently, there's less than a 1% difference on a high-end GPU even in CrossFire at 8x. At 4x, however, you're looking for a difference anywhere from 5-10%.

The Cooler Master Hyper 212+ is very nice but falls short to the performance delivered by the Scythe Mugen 2. I recommend that instead because it should deliver temps. that are at least 5C cooler than the 212 and the fan is better, too. It only costs $5 more. When I was talking about tower coolers and cases I was referring to the fact that some 120mm tower heatsinks can be tall enough to touch the case's panel. Some may even impede it from being closed. Because of this, if you want a tower cooler, I recommend you get a bigger case like the HAF 912.

EDIT: just saw the Newegg page says the AsRock mobo you posted supports 8x/8x CrossFire. I'll have to check on that because, from what I know, the 870 chipset only supports 16x or 16x/4x configurations.

They are, in fact, 8x/8x, but I found one problem: that motherboard uses a 4+1 phase power design, so I do not recommend it if you want to over-clock your CPU with it. You could risk it dying. The M4A79XTD is much better for over-clocking, so I'd still recommend that.
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I suggested the two PSUs depending on what you want. If you want higher power at a slightly higher cost, get the 750W. If you want for the build to be equal in price to the one you posted, then get the 650W. If you already got the Corsair TX-650, then get a Radeon HD 6850 if you want to CrossFire.

The motherboard you posted only has 16x and 4x PCI-E links. 8x and 8x deliver much better performance. At 2560x1600, based on a study Tom's Hardware did recently, there's less than a 1% difference on a high-end GPU even in CrossFire at 8x. At 4x, however, you're looking for a difference anywhere from 5-10%.

The Cooler Master Hyper 212+ is very nice but falls short to the performance delivered by the Scythe Mugen 2. I recommend that instead because it should deliver temps. that are at least 5C cooler than the 212 and the fan is better, too. It only costs $5 more. When I was talking about tower coolers and cases I was referring to the fact that some 120mm tower heatsinks can be tall enough to touch the case's panel. Some may even impede it from being closed. Because of this, if you want a tower cooler, I recommend you get a bigger case like the HAF 912.

EDIT: just saw the Newegg page says the AsRock mobo you posted supports 8x/8x CrossFire. I'll have to check on that because, from what I know, the 870 chipset only supports 16x or 16x/4x configurations.

They are, in fact, 8x/8x, but I found one problem: that motherboard uses a 4+1 phase power design, so I do not recommend it if you want to over-clock your CPU with it. You could risk it dying. The M4A79XTD is much better for over-clocking, so I'd still recommend that.
Got your 650 psu.
Motherboard and ram too. But for that mobo the qvl is awfully short and definetly doesn't have "team xtreem" on it. =/
Their only 2x2gb is nowhere to be found really. Does the ram really have to be on the qvl to work?

It'll be awhile till I end up crossfiring the gpu's.

Since I was aiming for that case I'll end up getting that fan.
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I second the suggestion for the Scythe Mugen 2. Great cooler for the price. I have my 955 at 4GHz with 1.44 volts, and it keeps it right around 52c as it folds away, all day.

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They are, in fact, 8x/8x, but I found one problem: that motherboard uses a 4+1 phase power design, so I do not recommend it if you want to over-clock your CPU with it. You could risk it dying. The M4A79XTD is much better for over-clocking, so I'd still recommend that.
I also second that advice!

Some info regarding motherboard stuff - http://www.overclock.net/amd-motherb...l#post12462681

http://www.overclock.net/amd-cpus/94...hy-choose.html
Edited by falconkaji - 3/29/11 at 7:46pm
    
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Originally Posted by Gen-Ross View Post
Hey everyone.
I've been looking to build a new PC for awhile.
I've done a lot of researching lately and know what I'm doing for the most part, but any recommendations, hardware switches, or things to note would be greatly appreciated.

CPU- Phenom 2 x4 955 Black Edition
CPU Cooler - CORSAIR CAFA70
Motherboard - ASRock 870 Extreme3, AM3, ATX
GPU- Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1GB
RAM- G.SKILL Ripjaw, (2 x 2gb), DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666), unbrushed
PSU- CORSAIR 650TX / 650WT
HDD- Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB / 7200 RPM /
DVD Drive - ASUS Black
OS- Win7

I'd love for anyone to review the build for incompatibilities/recommendations before I order.

Also this came to mind. Currently I have 2x2gb 1333 ram in one of the dual channels. The motherboard supports 1600, but only when the ram is overclocked. Would I be able to get 2x2gb 1600 ram and keep only that channel overclocked all the time?
Looks a lot like my rig. I would suggest bumping up your PSU 100 watts or more, in case you'd like to Crossfire later on (6870 scales very well). 650 will be enough for everything plus Crossfire, but you never know what you may want later on.
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