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4870 had VRM's burn up with Furmark. Ever since then, AMD's reference models have had beefy and resilient VRMs.
I really do not recall that. i owned 3 4870 1 512Mb version and 2 1GB version. The all overvolted well.

In furmark they would turn off and a reboot fixed it. That is totally different from burning.
Edited by bencher - 3/30/11 at 9:24am
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Perhaps they are unlocking more power draw through the BIOS update?
More power draw would kill more cards.

If anything they are bumping fan speeds and/or lowering default voltages.
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This is a dumb article. The video of the 590 "exploding" is so exaggerated.

First off, the 590 did not explode, it shorted out.

Secondly, the 590 was OCed on a beta driver that didnt have proper support for the 590.

If I had a 590, I would have the common sense not to overclock it until it had official driver support. The person that made the video of his GPU shorting out ... didnt.

Nvidia is not to blame for someone elses stupidity.
    
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I really dont recall that. i owned 3 4870 1 512Mb version and 2 1GB version. The all overvolted well.

In furmark they would turn off and a reboot fixed it. That is totally different from burning.

It was much more isolated. I don't necessarily remember them breaking either, but I remember there being complaints about the issue. I had a few 4870's and never experienced it. However, I find that furmark is a really bad representation and the 590 blunder is much more unsettling. Especially when cards are going belly up at stock during a casual 3dmark run. Furmark exponentially expenses more stress on the vrm's than anything a typical overclocker will experience here. That is, until they want to start gombing with furmark itself.


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This is a dumb article. The video of the 590 "exploding" is so exaggerated.

First off, the 590 did not explode, it shorted out.

Secondly, the 590 was OCed on a beta driver that didnt have proper support for the 590.

If I had a 590, I would have the common sense not to overclock it until it had official driver support. The person that made the video of his GPU shorting out ... didnt.

Nvidia is not to blame for someone elses stupidity.

Read the article. It's happened at stock, and even references a post on another forum where someone is complaining that it happened.

Also, the vrm wasn't shorted in the sense that we perceive a short as being. The vrms overloaded and ruptured due to the load. That is an explosion, no matter how minuscule. I watched the same video and the reviewers didn't short the card with anything.
Edited by JeremiahTheBullfrog - 3/30/11 at 9:28am
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Driver support is irrelevant unless the driver was forcing an incorrect fan speed.
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you can't say that inproper driver support was to blame, that's just retarded. hopefully they will learn thier lesson this time and stop making cards with poor power regulation
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Originally Posted by Kirby1 View Post
This is a dumb article. The video of the 590 "exploding" is so exaggerated.

First off, the 590 did not explode, it shorted out.

Secondly, the 590 was OCed on a beta driver that didnt have proper support for the 590.

If I had a 590, I would have the common sense not to overclock it until it had official driver support. The person that made the video of his GPU shorting out ... didnt.

Nvidia is not to blame for someone elses stupidity.

Kirby ... you should read more stuff around the forums ... people "are killing" 590's without oc ... with Coolermaster 1k PSU's ... with Corsair AX1200 PSU's ... some playing BadCompany 2 ...

So ... its really aleatory ... although i know what you mean when you say the video is way exaggerated... but the problem do exist ... if not, Nvidia was not releasing any Bios what so ever ...

And people don't feel confident about the card ... i've talked with a couple of friends who bought it... and they are having second thoughts ... One of them blew up a PSU yesterday ... don't know if the psu was already a mess or not ... but it blew ... So, strange things are happening
Edited by Pedros - 3/30/11 at 9:33am
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This is a dumb article. The video of the 590 "exploding" is so exaggerated.

First off, the 590 did not explode, it shorted out.

Secondly, the 590 was OCed on a beta driver that didnt have proper support for the 590.

If I had a 590, I would have the common sense not to overclock it until it had official driver support. The person that made the video of his GPU shorting out ... didnt.

Nvidia is not to blame for someone elses stupidity.
When a mosfet fries shorted and goes out with a pop and a spark, that's called an explosion. "Exploding PSUs", are usually switching transistors or rectifiers failing in that fashion.

Nvidia is to blame for providing no power overhead. It's not even like using a 500W PSU for a 550W system, it's like using a 500W PSU for a 700W system, and pushing it to 725W causes the PSU to go nuclear, and even without the extra load it's still under extremely heavy stress and may go anyway.
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Driver support is irrelevant unless the driver was forcing an incorrect fan speed.
I could see the new bios actually forcing a much more aggressive baseline fan speed that the driver can't delve below. I think that masks the problem, especially when you expect this card to work flawlessly in all environments. Right now, with summer right around the corner, I wouldn't want to be pushing this card at all.
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A good analysis was to see at, what particularly moment, did the cards "explode". Maybe the problem was the airflow. Again, the problem is not the airflow itself the the amount of airflow needed to cool down the VRM's that are already at it's limit of temps/efficiency.

Sometimes... 2ºC cooler or warmer make the damn think blow off or just keep "screaming with pain"

I know that 2 of them were at post screens ... so fan rpm down to minimum ... if VRM's temps were alarming ... and the fan rpm going to min ... that could cause the temps to ramp up since at post, theres a small increasing of power draw and that could be the "switch" to make it short-circuited ...

Again, this is just me thinking out loud eheheh ... i'm really intrigued on how this will be solved
Edited by Pedros - 3/30/11 at 9:46am
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